No soul can be really at rest until it has given up all dependence on everything else and has been forced to depend on the Lord alone. As long as our expectation is from other things, nothing but disappointment awaits us. Feelings may change, and will change with our changing circumstances; doctrines and dogmas may be upset; Christian work may come to naught; prayers may seem to lose their fervency; promises may seem to fail; everything that we have believed in or depended upon may seem to be swept away, and only God is left, just God, the bare God, if I may be allowed the expression; simply and only God.
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ha ha I beat Alesia :-)!!!!
might I say a mighty nice and timely quote
hahaha
Felt like being generous.
Usually I cheat & make a comment before I announce the new post!!!
That was some quick typing, missy.
Puff, puff, puff, I just couldn't keep up!
Thanks JIB.
I found this great site with awesome quotes.
shhhh, Can't let Mr Hyde know about it though - he'd be swiping them from me. I'm a softy for him though, I suppose he could bribe me with a good Cafe Mocha. ;-)
I'm pretty set with posts for awhile.
figured as much but I'll take it anyway I can get it :-)
my male colleagues tell me that I can type fast because I'm female-no lie I've had at least 2 other docs tell me my typing ability is due to my gender
poor Mac. it's my bedtime and he's likely just starting his day.
Nah - he should be pondering what he's going to make for dinner, right about now. It's 3:30pm for him.
I just wanted to demonstrate that I could post a link too. Hyde's first time.
A cure for heart trouble
PS Great post, Alesia. I think I've just become redundant...gasp!
From the Intercessors Network
THE AIR WAR: CHRISTIAN TELEVISION FOR MUSLIMS
Thousands of godly men and women risk their lives every day to be on the ground in Muslim nations and near Muslim populations. The work is very slow and very hard. Because God loves Muslims so much, for the past 15 years or so, He has sent them hundreds of dreams and visions of Jesus. No other religious group in history has had so many of those supernatural revelations from God.
At the same time, God has released satellite Christian television right into Muslim homes each week. One alliance of ministries, now broadcasts three live shows in Arabic into the homes of over 70 nations covering North America, Europe, the Middle East, Australian and most of Indonesia on three different satellites. These shows are distinctive because they are all in Arabic (the sacred and official language of Islam); they explain the real teachings of Islam to Muslims (many are shocked and dismayed) and they talk to Muslims on live television by phone.
Soon, these powerful programs will be in several other languages, thus multiplying the need for more workers and resources. Please pray for this alliance in the “air war” against the deceptions of Islam. Just as in WWII, it may be that the war has to be won in the air before it can be fully won on the ground. Please pray that these weekly Arabic broadcasts can be quickly translated into Indonesian, Urdu, Farsi, Turkish, French and English.
Pray for the wisdom, strength and resources to bring in this great harvest of souls for Jesus all over the world. Thank God, too, that he is doing it. Saving Muslims is His idea and His passion.
What do the Saudis Want?
Mac, that's awesome news about the tv/satillite reaching the muslims. I thought that any Christian teaching was banned in most of the countries. I love that they can call in and ask questions.
Nate, I now work as a cafe hostess/cashier in a secure facility here in WPB. I only get brief, mostly shallow conversations; "how are you?" "nice day we're having.." "love those earrings!"
This week the conversations have changed. Now people are asking me what I think about the earthquakes, volcanos and fires.
Everything has changed.
I tell them exactly what I think about it and am surprised at how many Christians there are where I work. Some are only on the brink, but they're asking the right questions.
I had two customers, one on either side of me, discussing the earthquake. Here's the gist of the conversation;
Customer 1 "Somebody's angry"
2 "That's how it seems"
1 "He's trying to get our attention"
2 "Yeah, but do you think it's working?"
1 "I don't know, it might be just making people angry"
2 "Or not believe in him"
me: "I would think it would make one believe even more."
1 "What do you think?"
me: We're living in the last days and God wants us to know him"
1 & 2 "That's right"
It wasn't just them. It's one person after another. The building I work in employs 300 people. It amazes me how many are thinking the same thing.
Now, I'm getting hugs and having people come up to me that know I go to church. We're having some really good conversations in the short time I get to "visit" with them.
I could certainly use prayer for my answers to them. My answers need to be short because that's all the time I get with the customer, just a few minutes.
I'm so sorry that I am not in a position to post news links all the time.
My in-laws gave us the Jan 2008 National Geographic. I wouldn't normally read the magazine because of the constant reference to evolution which is a bunch of hooey. As I have said so many times, "there is no evidence of evolution from species to species, only mutation within a species to ensure survival of that species."
Anyway, the magazine was left open the other day and I noticed an article on Indonesia. It's actually very interesting. The article speaks of the ongoing beliefs of the Islam and other beliefs that the Indonesian people cling to. When disasters hit, the people beg the leaders to sacrifice 1,000 goats and perform other rituals to appease the god/gods. It mentions again and again, how they do rituals and disasters still befall them. It is amazing, I think if these people are presented with the gospel, they'll latch on. They just need the truth.
We took my son to see Narnia II, Prince Caspian last night for his 20th birthday. He was so excited, he really wanted to see it.
We got to see it in DLP, it's digital. It was the most amazing screen I've ever seen. The picture quality was beyond comprehension. And the movie was quite good.
I tried to find an adult aged book on the movie, to present the tickets in, but only found children's books from ages 4 to probably 11.
CAUTION I don't think that any child, up to 11 years old, should see this movie due to the level of violence in it.
I think it's odd that the book display at B & N was geared towards children, yet the movie was for adults.
Grany, thanks for posting the link on spiritual warfare. :)
Mr. Hyde, as always the coffee and fellowship is fantastic. Thanks
What a great and timely quote, Alesia. Thank you!
Lori, you are in our prayers. How exciting that you are having these conversations with folks!
Thak you Grany for the Ray Stedman link. Think I will print and read it.
Thank you all!
Lori--I am so glad you said that about the movie!! I was going to take my girls and my oldest is only 12! They are 6, 11, and 12--they saw the first Narnia--so do you think this one is that much more violent? Let me know as we actually thought about going tonight!!!
JCchick,
Yes, I do think there is more violence in this movie than #1.
DO NOT READ THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THE FIRST FEW SCENES OF NARNIA 2
For instance, the movie opens with a baby being born; woman straining/screaming during childbirth, joyful mom then holding the child. In another room a man is telling another man he is the father of a son. The new father tells the man to do what he must. The next scene is an old gentleman urgently awakening Prince Caspian, tells him to go to the forest. Almost immediately after Caspian takes off, his bed is surrounded by at least a dozen men with crossbows who shoot into the sleeping area. Fabric and feathers are flying into the air. There are other scenes in this movie that are even more disturbing.
I think this would cause nightmares for your age children. I would definitely avoid taking your children to this movie. At the very least, see the movie first and then decide. I did hear children crying during this movie.
If you decide to see it, ask if it's being shown in DLP at your theater, huge difference in picture and sound. I understand that Ironman is also being shown in DLP.
if you all want the low down on movies including world view, plot lines and who should or shouldn't be seeing it for at least a guideline
Christian Movieguide
they loved the movie but gave it only a wholesome rating which means discernment needed for younger viewers-right on with what Lori said. I have found them to be much more accurate than the movie reviews via Christianity today.
this is a Christian, in the true sens of the word, review place and they do a good job. I have been impressed with the fact that indeed when a film is artistically very good but the message is bad or there is a lot of violence they say so and quite frankly vice versa. There have been a few that they said the message was quite good but the film was poorly executed and from an artistic standpoint might not be worth seeing at all or at least wait for the release on dvd. you can see about 3 weeks worth of info for free. if you want to go further back than that you have to pay a membership fee of $40/year. it is updated every Friday.
I would note that while the said the intended audience was "all ages" for Caspian if you look at what "wholesome" means you will find that discernment is suggested for younger children. We weren't planning on taking our 5 year old anyway since he can't sit through the first movie without getting horribly bored
Lori and jib---thanks! They LOVED the first movie and when I discussed possibly not seeing the second just yet, all three of them were so upset! But yikes--seems a bit much...I'll have to pray on it!
Love that site--thank you SO much for that!!! Perfect!
God Bless...
how bizarre-follow up comments are supposed to go to the new address (and they did for all comments up to my first comment this morning) but they were being sent to old address out of the clear blue and I checked my email settings and sure enough the new address is still in use not the old? gremlins in the computer???
ok lets try this again. somehow the old address was still listed someplace maybe this will clear it up and maybe not
JCChick
glad you liked the site. I have found it to be quite helpful in choosing movies. my son much to his disgust still has not seen Happy Feet, Ant Bully or Monster House since all three had world views I really didn't want him exposed to at this age.
one of these days I'll become a member so that I can access back links
Campsmore,
Thanks for the warning. I probably would have taken my kids to see it.
Also your testimony made my morning. It's a wonderful blessing to be able to be used in such a way to sow the seeds for God's Kingdom. The harvest is ripening it seems.
I just thought more about this China earthquake today. How it would happen just at the moment before they are set on the world stage for the olympics. All eyes are upon them. There is so much tragedy there-the general populace isn't so thrilled with the event taking place now.
And the Saudi Oil ordeal? Big suprise they aren't really our "friends."
Finally I wanted to post this to those interesed understanding that some people are not.
The day after I made the proclamation on the UFO/Demon/Flordia Revival connection. I had got my first issue of "Prophecy in the News."
In it there were several books listed on differnt topics. A few being on this very topic of a UFO/Fallen Angel connection. I have not read anything on this before so I don't know what they state. The only book I read was the"Nephilim /Pyramid" one. I don't remember it connecting to UFO's -but if it did I don't recall.
Chuck Missler had co written one of them so since I like his teachings I went to his website to see if he said anything about it.
Which he does. He's written a few articles on it-mainly in 1997-which was awhile ago. (I also browsed other topics he's written and they are great-so I'm glad I found his site anyway)
If it's of interest following is a link.
Koinonia House
On this page is a Broadcast you can listen to, (have not done that yet) Article links, and probably a good one for us to look at is "Armor for the age of deceit." Putting on the whole armor of God.
(Put I have not read that yet either)
Lisa
JIB, Green Aliens I bet! Quick get the fly swatter and zap him.
Hi everyone! Can you believe I did go to sleep and did I ever. I never sleep in late but then I had been up almost 24 hours so, I conked out BIG TIME! Hubby came in to see if I was still breathing and I scared him by grabbing his leg. Hehehehe!
I will ketchup with you all in a bit but for now, I gotta get my cuppa something.
Love ya,
Grany
grany you are soooo bad!
funny though
Grany,
I just rolled out of bed, not so long ago myself ~gasp~ but I didn't go to sleep until 5:30am! I need lots of coffee's.
Lori - thanks for the review of the movie! My baby girl isn't a lil one any longer (Oh, how I miss those days) so it was good to know you thought it was a good movie as well!
Jib - I think you do a green aliens in your computer! I got all of your comments in email.
I am getting none of them at all. I even sent myself a message to our main email account from my office account and it said I had no new messages and when I clicked on the inbox it was there at least. oddly enough I think the messages are there because it says I am using 1% of my storage capability in the inbox but the inbox says there is nothing there. turns out netzero has "upgraded" their message center and it doesn't play nice with security software so will let hubby figure that one out.
JIB, it is my Mrs. Hyde persona coming out. Well, it is Saturday and better to release some of this vim and vigor before it turns to rigor; rigor mort us that is. You know, stiff and unbendable disposition which always ends in cranky, mean and insatiable.
You just gotta find 3 really great movies for our fella. You know I approve of watching out for our kids and you are doing a great job.
LORI, that is wonderful news about your job. You got the right one and God is Good, all of the time. If we get to WPB, I am going to look you up. I also want to thank you for the info on the movie. My daughter is heading to Missouri next weekend and had planned on taking the grandkids to see the movie up there. Only 2 of them are over 12 and I don't think those two would enjoy it either. Both the older ones are sports minded and only are thinking of baseball right now.
Mac, thanks for that info from Intercessors. That information is right on time and I hope we can all be some help in their ministry. We all know that prayers are very effective in defeating the weapons of the enemy in this battle too.
Well, had my fantastic kuppa coffee and it was really good. French Press and fresh ground beans.
By the way JIB you are not only speedy but very resourceful. Loved it!
Alesia, I like this one too! You doing good and mighty works for Mr. Hyde. Is he treating you good too?
Love you all,
Grany
Alesia, Mac and Grany would each of you send me an email to me email adress?
thanks
This is for the married gals here (although I think I'm the only one who's not)
NO BOYS ALLOWED!
I came upon these really good (I think) broadcasts on Family Life of author Shaunti Feldhahn discussing husband/wife relationships & how women can better understand their hubby's & what they can do to strengthen their marriages.
(not sure I agree with 100% - but it was very good)
Thought you all might find it worthwhile.
Grany: Loved the grabbing your husband's leg - gave me a chuckle.
#1 - Respecting the Man in Your Life
#2 - Desiring his love
#3 - Keeping up Appearances
#4 - The Great Imposter
#5 - Roving Toward Romance
JIB - just sent you one.
ok yet another test message
Alesia
got your email although it didn't initially show up either
Grany, I sent you an email seeking sage advice...I am hoping you will read it and get back to me via email when you have a chance. Thank you.
well one more test message and then I'm calling it quits on trying to get the posts sent to my email address. of course that doesn't help not actually seeing other email but my frustration level will go down
forgot to mention, my links for the broadcasts are obviously God-centered & from a Christian perspective....
ok well i give up for real this time. doesn't seem to matter which address I use the comments won't go through although I get the notification of changing the address. if you all have any helpful comments please post and I'll check back later
ok i lied last time, it seems to be working now. I did a bunch of testing with my blog and couldn't even get my own comments from my blog but now I can
ok very strange
now I'm receiving all the messages posted by myself and everyone else in random order!
for whatever reason my email account decided to block the address sometimes during the night and I had to place the address for blogger.com in the don't block list. who knows
great article on Tsar Putin
He's looking more like Gog by the minute
particularly telling is toward the end of the article about Russia and it's military might-they have things to prove and the will to do so
Iranian: Israel Too Weak to Attack Iran
PMO Sources: U.S. May act against in Iran in 2008
Russia urges world powers to offer security to Iran "these offers were part of the original package of incentives offered by Javier Solana on 06/06/06
Police want PM questioned in 48 hours
Kings of the earth in Israel for 'event of the century
Pres. Bush: Israel is 'the Redemption of an Ancient Promise' "Pres. Bush Delivers the Most Overtly Religious Speech "...The killers claim the mantle of Islam, but they are not religious men. No one who prays to the God of Abraham could strap a suicide vest to an innocent child, or blow up guiltless guests at a Passover Seder, or fly planes into office buildings filled with unsuspecting workers. In truth, the men who carry out these savage acts serve no higher goal than their own desire for power. They accept no God before themselves. And they reserve a special hatred for the most ardent defenders of liberty, including Americans and Israelis." "...You have raised a modern society in the Promised Land, a light unto the nations that preserves the legacy of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. And you have built a mighty democracy that will endure forever and can always count on the United States of America to be at your side. God bless."
Pres. Bush Rejects 'Negotiating With Killers' - ONly Fatah not terrorists
Bush offers Saudis nuclear power in exchange for more oil
US to help Saudis with nuclear reactor
This Means War
Death toll doubles in Myanmar cyclone, UN still in dark about survivors
Scientists, Theologians Debate Whether God Exists
Children's TV says Tel Aviv doesn't exist; It has been Tel Al-Rabi' for generations, on the land of Palestine, next to Yafa
World economy on thin ice - U.N.
IBM: From supercomputers to superrice
Algae Green giant
Europe Plans to Build Manned Spaceship "..."ATV Evolution" -- the project's working title"
EU top aid man granted Burma visa Earlier, EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said "all possible means" were being considered.
AoC plans on building "interfaith" churches
Crazed cows and toad invasions? Superstitious views on the earthquake
Unnatural Grid Appears in Nevada Earthquakes
Six Companies Control 98 Percent of the World's Seeds
UN Alert: One-fourth of World's Wheat at Risk From New Fungus; One fungus could bring famine for years to come
Senate passes veto-proof farm bill
Navy Bomb Misses By Mile, Starts Woods Fire
JIB - It's not your computer! I'm now not getting emails for posts!
Not sure what made me hit "refresh" but was surprised to see the new comments, for they're not in my email. Me now have green aliens :-(
YAH - Lori Links!!! Thanks!
WOW...thank you Lori for those awesome links!!!
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FYI - I removed all the deleted comments. Which is why the comment number decreased.
Shalom, all!
Lori, your posting at 4:08 AM caused a little bell to start ringing in the back of my head. It took some time to track it down, but here it is:
Mark Mallett's Blog entry "Signs From The Sky"
Mark Mallett is a Canadian singer/songwriter & Catholic evangelist. He recently finished a US tour where he got to meet and speak with a great many people. Although the blog was posted on May 12, he started writing it on May 10 -- just a week ago. What caught my eye was this quote:
Perhaps the greatest sign is that which is rising in the hearts of many I speak to. The sense of "imminence" of "something" has perhaps never been greater. These events will continue, and increase in intensity.
Basically, this blog entry is a summation of signs that have been appearing for the last year, including the reprint of a blog he wrote on Nov. 5, 2007 about the Perseus Comet. If you'll remember, a comet suddenly appeared in the constellation Perseus back in October. It appeared near the brightest star in the constellation, called Alpha Persei.
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the one who is and who was and who is to come... (Rev 1:8)
Perseus is the Greek hero called "The Rescuer", slaying monsters with a sword while riding a white horse called Pegasus. Sound familiar?
Then I saw the heavens opened,and there was a white horse; its rider was (called) "Faithful and True." He judges and wages war in righteousness... (Rev 19:11)
I'll let you read the rest of the blog yourself. If you want to read more of his blog, you can find it here. (If nothing else, he associates his blog entries with such beautiful artwork from a variety of sources.)
One last thought:
We tend to think of the Apocalypse as God’s judgment on mankind, an act of pure Justice. But we must remember that the Apocalypse is Mercy, for God will not permit evil to go on devouring the good indefinitely, and will bring it to an end. —Archbishop Fulton Sheen, (paraphrased; reference unknown)
ok I very briefly change my email address to see if it worked and then when it didn't change it back to the main account. resubscribed to the emails but going to the wrong address but at least I'm getting them right?
sorry to cause you extra work this morning Alesia.
Grany if your email goes on the fritz again let me know asap since I did email Alesia also this morning and even though our virus scan ran last night and nothing on it one never knows
interesting link Jim and some of it is food for thought. I don't necessarily agree with the interpretation of everything he wrote and it is odd that he writes of the seals now being opened since it has been my experience that most Catholics believe that those prophecies all cam true in the remote past-like the first century. That is my understanding of amillenialism at any rate.
I do like the quote by the archbishop however and quite true when you think about it.
JIB - did you see my comment? I don't think there is anything wrong with your computer. I'm not getting the comments either now. I am getting other email though & I did get your email.
Something must be goofy with blogger.
Jim - I too really liked the comment the archbishop wrote:
"We tend to think of the Apocalypse as God’s judgment on mankind, an act of pure Justice. But we must remember that the Apocalypse is Mercy, for God will not permit evil to go on devouring the good indefinitely, and will bring it to an end. —Archbishop Fulton Sheen"
btw
I'd have to guess the problem is with google for some reason and not my computer since I was getting email sent to a wrong address after I had changed it to a right address. there appears to be some sort of delay this morning in getting some stuff-like about an hour or so, two for some of the messages. I shouldn't have received every post done this morning in random order and I do mean random-earlier posts were received after later posts and as the say on dancing with the stars "and in no particular order"
yes I am now getting the comments in order and as they are posted
Campsmore,
Your a girl gone wild-Great Links!
I can hardly believe the boldness spoken by Pres.Bush about Israel and God and the god of the terrorists. Really, talk about on fire! (of course we don't like the dividing Israel part but never the less it was a great speech.)
Jim,
I loved your link on the comet Alpha & Omega, etc.. They used to rely on Astrological signs as communication from God especially I think pre-Moses. Before the law.But after too.
Since we realize we are close to "the End" and the Bible mentions "signs in the sky" it may be prudent to watch those things from a Biblical perspective. Otherwise why would it be stressed?
I've seen some books available on that topic but have not read any.
I agree w/him the seals have not been broken yet. But the 1st horse/rider is the anti-christ or copycat Christ in the view I hold. And the 2nd horse/rider is Jesus Christ.The real one.
(I just thought to myself-before the red horse seal is broken what if fireball went by?)
I'm a little worried about the saint appariatons in the sky part but other than that it was great.
One thing about it. It seems that most religions agree on one thing. Something is going on and The End is close.
Tensions are mounting.
i would agree that the seals have not yet been broken I was just a little surprised that he felt that way. my own take is that we won't be here when the seals start being broken but we've debated that before ad nauseum so this isn't an invite to reopen that can of worms. just a statement
Let's put this under the heading of "End Times Global Warming Debate."
Want a laugh?-read this:
Solar Powered Bra
I wonder if they'll make Solar powered Shorts for men next?
We can't leave them out!
What about a solar powered top hat?
Lisa do you think that that battery thing will help silicone implants any? Just couldn't resist!
When I first read your comment I thought they werer talking about battery life for pacemakers or something like that.
Jib and Lisa, I agree on the seals also. No way, Hosea!
Perhaps Bush is really speaking his heart when he commented on the Negotiating with Terroist. I sure hope so.
Well, JIB I sent off your email and Donna I sent you one to.
JIM that was very interesting to say the least. You doing good man!
By the way Alesia, I clicked on the Email follow-up comments and immediately I received in my inbox of Gmail 3 unknown emails from Me with addresses that I have no idea who they are. Me thinks there is something going on at the cave but I don't have a clue what it is. It is Saturday and I gave my brain the day off. It needs it greatly! Now I better not hear any body agreeing with me on that one. You hear me? No One! Heheheh!
Love you all,
Grany
Mr. Hyde, solar cell for your hat? I thought you were the cool headed one by choice!
Grany
Shalom, Lisa! I think the question might be open as to who the first rider on a white horse of Rev. 6 is -- perhaps it's one of the angels described in Zechariah? But I definitely think the second rider of a white horse (Rev. 19:11) is Jesus. Also, you wrote:
I'm a little worried about the saint appariatons in the sky part but other than that it was great.
Do you mean the visions in the sky that St. Faustina saw? She saw the sky turn dark, except for stars that marked the location of the wounds of Christ. In other words, it was a vision of the crucified Christ in the sky, covering the entire sky. If you ever read Sr. Faustina's Diary, this is a vision that should be taken more symbolically rather than literally (although it's possible that this will be the Great Miracle used to give people one last chance to turn to Christ.)
If you're wondering: St. Faustina was a nun in Poland back in the 1920's and 30's, who received messages from and was visited by Jesus on a number of occasions. She wrote these down (a task in itself -- she had only received three years of schooling and her spelling and grammar were "unique") and it was published as "Divine Mercy In My Soul". The messages can be summed up in the phrase, "mankind will not have peace until it turns with trust to God’s mercy."
At one point Jesus described an image he wanted her to make. It was to show Him standing in front of door, one hand raised in blessing and the other hand touching His heart. From His heart were to come two rays of light; one of red (symbolizing His Blood) and one blue (symbolizing the waters of baptism). Beneath the image were to be the words, "Jesus I Trust In You". The entire image is to represent G_D's Divine Mercy. Since Jesus told her the TYPE of image he wanted, there are several interpretations. Here you'll find the version most popular in Europe and America.
Jesus told Sr. Faustina, "All sins can be forgiven except if you refuse to believe that your sin can be forgiven ... Before I come as Just Judge I will open wide the doors of My mercy ... He that refuses to pass through the doors of My mercy will have to pass through the doors of My Justice.
Jesus I trust in you!
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Jim,
That beam coming out of Him reminded me of a UFO.
I want to say I'm just kidding but I've had that on my mind this week as you all are aware.That's the fist thing I thought of.
But seriously Jim,
I rather consider the interpretation you gave.
I don't know about the angels in Zecharih so I'll look at that.
I'm just about to do a study on the minor prophets: Habakuk, Zephania, Haggai, and Malachi.
There are some things pertaining to our time frame in them so I thought to take a look.
Probably won't get to it until next week.
Lisa
Is anyone else having problems getting the comments in their email?
Every since JIB's got fixed, mine hasn't been working. I've not gotten any comments emailed since this morning.
Hi Vicki,
First of all, let me do something I meant to do when you first joined us and just didn't get around to doing....Welcome!
I think I also owe an official welcome to Jim #2 and maybe someone else that I'm forgetting at the moment.
Secondly, yes, I did read the article you linked. That's what spurred me on to further reading at the Amazing Facts site.
Thirdly, before deciding to embark on another topic, I need to wrap up some loose ends, both here and at home. I owe Donna an article that will require a fair amount of time to type up and then I need to finish up some stuff that I've just simply neglected while spending so much time on faith matters. Once I take care of those obligations, I'll see what I'm moved to set out upon next.
Blessings,
Jen
I keep hearing the phrase "strong delusion" when the Florida Revival comes up, as a justification that this is God sent, to bring about destruction (really). God is NEVER going to send destruction on His people, but the devil will try.
The latest is that this is a strong delusion, based on the verse in 2 Thessalonians 2:11:
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
HOWEVER, and please go read it for yourself if you don't believe me.
This verse is talking about those people who are LEFT BEHIND after the Rapture, or at least for those who believe in the pre-trib rapture. The people referred to are those who are deluded the Antichrist, because they do not believe, nor have EVER have believed the Truth. it is NOT talking about Christians AT ALL.
How do we know, because the previous 3 verse are about he Antichrist and his ability to deceive, and the fact that he has to be revealed before this great delusion comes.
I am not aware that the AC has been revealed.
To be honest, ANYONE who says stuff like this REALLY does not know God, nor their Bible - it's sad if it wasn't so dangerous. Many people will hear it and maybe miss something God has for them, out of fear.
People are all too readily quoting the Bible to justify a particular position - especially when they do not know the WHOLE counsel of Scripture, and take passages out of context, albeit in however a well meaning manner. It's just plain WRONG.
Again we see that traditions and religion have managed to subvert what the Word of God actually says.
John
Lisa,
I posted something to you earlier, on your blog - did you get it>
John
John,
Excuse me - but what in the world are you talking about?
Can you please clarify what prompted you to make your comment?
I'm confused at to what/whom you are referring to.
Alesia
if I had any idea what I did to fix I'd share with you. try unsubscribing to the comments, if you have yourself automatically logged onto your blogger account sign out of that also. close down that session of your web browser. reboot the computer, new session with internet browser, log back into your own blog, then come back to the cave and try re subscribing-this is pretty much what I did. I even tried new addresses. one of the things that I also checked on was making sure that my sign on address and my admin address for my blog matched (they didn't)-you'll find that under my account I think. I essentially did the whole unsubscribe, re subscribe thing several times and eventually it started working-not entirely sure why. I also noted at least a half an hour delay in my actions and actually getting responses. I would suspect you've done most of the above but if you haven't that's pretty much all I did this morning
Hi Jen, the last thing I want you to do is worry about getting that article to me! You have enough to do with the little kiddies and everything else.
If there is a verse somewhere or other that I missed about it, point me in the right direction. We had been discussing Jack Kelley's statement that kids and those who are have diminished intellectual abilities automatically go the heaven, as I recall, and we were questioning whether or not it was biblical.
Either way it is NOT anything I want you to be overly concerned with particularly is it involves a lot of typing!
I'll catch up on some of these posts and go read Hal LIndsey's newest article that I attempted to read the other day. I see Nate has a link to it.
At the moment we have a houseful of kids as it is one of my daughters birthday celebration. They are having lots of fun and don't need much input from me at the moment!
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Nate,
That was a really good article...the stats he gave were helpful in seeing the big picture since I don't have any idea of how many earthquakes, etc. were taking place before my generation.
One thing that really jumped out at me (maybe I can send Jim C. on an investigative mission with this) is the new wheat fungus that has the ability to decimate the Asian/ME crops. Of course the Biblical prophesy of famine and "a day's wages" come to mind, but something perhaps even worse occured to me....
Anyone remember Arthur Miller's play "The Crucible"? It was about the Salem witch hunts in 1692 and how the "hexed" girls caused dozens of good Christian community members to be accused of witchcraft and eventually executed for their "crimes." It was one of my most favorite pieces to teach because it was so riveting and also because it actually happened, so there were all kinds of extra resources to use when teaching the play. The last year I taught, I found an episode in the PBS series Secrets of the Dead which explored the causes of the hysteria from a new scientific perspective. You can read a little about it here.
Of Fungus and Witches
Basically, a behavioral psychologist working on her PhD. came up with the theory that the girls weren't under the spell of witchcraft, but were instead hallucinating after eating bread made with fungus-infested wheat. If you research 'ergot' you can understand it better. In 1951 in France, a similar outbreak occured, but this time the medical community was able to understand the cause and all the bakeries in the affected town were shut down (there were reports of even dogs having hallucinations/seizures because people were feeding them table scraps.) Anyway, the wheat fungus is now a strongly supported theory on the cause of the Salem hysteria.
OK, one more step....if wheat crops in our current day fall to this new fungus, is it possible that there could be a much wider outbreak of hallucinations as large swaths of populations, already affected by food shortages and natural disasters, eat anything they can possibly find, regardless of it's safety? If you were starving or watching your children starve, would you bake bread with moldy grain? And what repurcussions would result if large segments of a community were seen in such a state? In less developed areas, I can imagine fear and irrationality taking over.
I don't know. Something to mull over....
Blessings,
Jen
JIB,
Thanks for the suggestions, I actually didn't try any of that, thought the problem would resolve itself.
I'm now a little worried because the problem started when I was at home & am now at work. It just dawned on me, I haven't received ANY emails in several hours. So I hope this problem hasn't clogged up my email account. Me need my email!!!
Actually, JIB or anyone else that has my email - can someone send me a test email so I can see if it IS working?
Thanks,
Mac - didn't Australia just last year have a problem with failing/fungus wheat crops as well?
Alesia,
Sorry, I should have posted the YouTube link and the guy's web site link
He may be well meaning, he may be a Christian, but he's totally off the wall in his message.
John
For a few months now I haven't been receiving emails notifying me that someone has left a comment at my blog. I created a yahoo account and now they are going to that email address.
For those interested, Kristen Wisen, Robert Van Kampen's daughter, has written a plain and simple prewrath study guide. It's accessible from her website. You can go to it from my blog.
A blessed Lord's day to you all.
Kathy
Jib, Shalom!
It could be that you have corrupted or infected cookies in your web browser. Have your web browser clean out all the cookies, or (better yet) if your antivirus or antispyware has that option, use that.
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I saw it, Kathy.
"Mac - didn't Australia just last year have a problem with failing/fungus wheat crops as well?"
They may well have, Alesia. Fact is that a season does not go buy when some crops fail for various reasons.
Hi Donna,
I didn't mean to imply that the typing was going to take long, but I had planned to include a few other links that I had come across on the subject (both pro and con) but I didn't bookmark them at the time so I wanted to hunt them out again.
I got the letter originally from a ministry I wrote to in the early
'90s when I was in high school and working with our school's mentally handicapped class in their "life skills" class. I became so attached to the kids and truly fell in love with each of them. We would discuss all kinds of things (at their level of understanding) and they brought so much joy to us volunteers. It was during that time that I began to wonder about their ability to know Jesus in a way that made their salvation sure. I wrote to and got the letter I mentioned and it brought me a lot of comfort.
Anyway, I'll work on that next time I have more than 3 minutes of quiet time around here :-)
Blessings,
Jen
I think Hyde's solar hat should also have a propeller. That way he gets both solar and wind energy.
Lisa, I don't know about solar shorts for boys tho - we are talking about "clean" energy aren't we?
Jen, Shalom! I can't take the time to watch the PBS stuff (I'm watching "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade" -- can't wait until they reach Petra) but I'm familiar with the French case. The difference there is that the grain wasn't wheat, it was rye, infected with ergot. The fungus that causes ergot produces an alkaloid that became the basis for LSD. When it's ground into flour with the rye and eaten, it causes a disease called "Holy Fire" in the Middle Ages, and is called "ergotism" now.
OK, Indy has reached Petra. I think your proposition is right -- hungry people will eat food when it is marginal, and I mean more marginal than the 5-second rule. We may be on the brink of massive outbreaks of ergotism. During the famine of 1926-27, Russia had 10,000 reported cases. (The Bolshevik government didn't like reporting diseases, especially food-related ones, since that was a property of capitalist societies. We could safely assume the number of cases was considerably higher.) During the Middle Ages, outbreaks killed more. While ergot is commonly associated with rye, it also infects triticale, wheat, and barley, so entire food sources can be contaminated.
There's some evidence that the outbreak in France wasn't due to ergotism, but to mercury poisoning. Seeds to be used for planting are often coated with mercury-based fungicides, and there is speculation that a bag of treated planting grain got mixed in with the regular grain to be ground for flour. The treated grain is usually dyed red to warn against eating it, but in Iraq in 1971-72, 459 people died from eating mercury-treated wheat. It had been dyed red and the bags had warnings in English and Spanish, but no one could read the warnings.
So in addition to fungus destroying the plants, and fungus infecting the grain, I'll wager there will be many, many cases of people eating fungicide-treated grain. I just hope the Jewish farmers stick to the Mosaic rules about storing grain -- if so, the Jewish farmers will have far fewer cases of infected grain.
Jesus, I trust in you!
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mac,
You don't even want to know where my mind went with that one!
But it did create a good laugh.
Lisa
I think I'm having the same problem as all of you. I'm not getting any emails posted to my regular email account to tell me they are on my blog page.
So I guess I'll have to check that more frequently.
John I left you a reply.
Lisa
Hi Jim,
You may not be able to get a whole lot at the link I gave since it's a teacher's site w/ lesson plans, etc. but at least it would show the name of the program so you could search further on it.
Your mention of the red-dyed grain brought back a memory of my days on the farm that I had totally forgotten about and didn't even realize the importance of until now....my parents used to get planting corn that had a red tint to it. We kids were never allowed to handle it and I never knew why. Mystery solved!
Blessings,
Jen
Hey guys,
I have Blogger Dashboard bookmarked and I check that site to see if I have any new messages posted to my blogs. I don't have the email enabled, so I'm not having the email problem. Not sure if that will help but thought I'd mention it.
- Jen
alesia
just sent a note to your email. sorry didn't see the request until now
JIB - thanks - I got it.
Now I'm going to re-click "follow-up comments", since I took it off & see if that works.
I'm guessing I'm going to wake in the morning to 50 messages - there was a lot of posts today!
well I did eventually get all the comments just in a really random order that made absolutely no sense. you won't get the ones I don't think when it was turned off but I suspect you'll get the rest!
Jen, Shalom! One more thing: The fungus listed in the article noted by Nate is called UG99. It's not a fungus that affects the wheat grain; it's a fungus that destroys the entire plant. This fungus won't cause hallucinations, because it just won't let the grain form -- the plant will die before the wheat grains grow. Where this fungus grows, there simply won't be any wheat to eat.
Jesus I trust in you!
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Soooooo Mac, are you going to read it? I hope you do!
Scott Robinson, are you out there? I would encourage you to check out Kristen's study guide. It lays out the timeline of Daniel's 70th Week very simply.
Not all of it, Kathy. But rest assured, I AM pretty clued up with the issues.
Sorry, I meant to say I haven't read all of it - just some parts.
BTW I thought Alan Kurschner's comments about Hal Lindsey were way out of line in his latest post at the Prewrath Rap Dot Com site. In fact Hal did not make any false predictions at all, he merely speculated what ifs. I've still got some of his old books. Calling Hal an unrepentant false prophet is a bit much. Alan should check his facts.
Really interesting info about the ergot and UG99. Gee, you all here are full of information!
And now I'm curious now about the Mosaic rules of storing grain....all really
interesting and relevant stuff.
Well, we have a houseful of girls, 5 of them, sleeping in the living room. A couple of boys were here ealier, too but left early on.
All of these kids were in special needs classes for one reason or other. They are all such great kids, such great friends and sure have lots of fun together. We'll do it more often, for sure, since they are either recent high school grads or getting ready to graduate so don't see each other as often as they used to.
I work pt with families who have children with multiple handicaps...so the info and links from you , Jen, would be appreciated when you have a chance...NO RUSH!
Have a great Sunday!
"Live your life in a way, that people who know you, but do not know God, will want to know God because they know you" From unknown source.
Morning, Jim,
Thanks for checking out the UG99 further. If I think about it, I would have to say that starvation might be merciful over what would happen to people if they ate ergot grain. If you read the journals from Salem you see that those affected went through all kinds of horrible physical symptoms. We're mostly familiar with their hysteria and hallucinations, but they also had seizures so violent that several grown men were required to hold the girls down, they would claw at their eyes and skin because of the sensations they felt and several tried to jump out windows and fly. It's no wonder the towns people looked to witchcraft as the cause.
On that happy note, Happy Lord's Day!
Blessings.
Jen
That discussion on the Salem point
was great! I never knew the details about why there was such a great witch hunt.
Mac,
That statement was really rough. Rarely does someone give a prediction thats 100% accurate. What's the verse about witnesses & two or three in a room?
When I see a prediction I consider it. But if more than one person has the exact same revelation then I tend to consider it a little stronger.
Especially with visions. If the accounts are close to identical then somethings up. But rarely are they 100% the same.
Speaking of famine, I just learned yesterday that cattails are edible. The whole thing, right down to the root! We have an abundance of them, though during a famine, probably not for long. So, how about this for a versatile food:
"Cattail pollen is a fine substitute for flours. It is a bright yellow or green color, and turns pancakes, cookies or biscuits a pretty yellow color (which children love). The rhizomes (underground stems) and lower stems have a sweet flavor and can be eaten raw, baked, roasted, or broiled. Cattail rhizomes are fairly high in starch content; this is usually listed at about 30% to 46%. The core can be ground into flour. One acre of cattails would yield about 6,475 pounds of flour (Harrington 1972). This flour would probably contain about 80 % carbohydrates and around 6% to 8% protein. Since cattail occurs around the world, it is a potential source of food for the worlds' population."
Hi Anne,
I was just thinking yesterday as I was driving along a meadow, "What plants growing in there could I eat if I had nothing else?" How funny that you posted on cattails....now I need to go find out where there is an abundance of them around here :-)
Blessings,
Jen
Lisa,
"If accounts are close to identical, then something's up."
I would agree, but add that
something's up either way.
Blessings,
Jen
"Live your life in a way, that people who know you, but do not know God, will want to know God because they know you" From unknown source.
Loved it Mac!
I'm going to make it all pretty & put it on my refrigerator!
:-)
I'm sure there is teaching about this somewhere, but here are my thoughts:
Since the only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and taking the mark of the beast separates us from God permanantly, do you think that the mark will somehow include blasphemy against the Spirit?
I believe people will know what they are doing when offered the mark, that it will be total rejection of God and that no one will be able to "accidentally" turn against God.
Any thoughts?
Jen, that is interesting. I wonder if you were driving through the meadow just at the time I was learning about the cattails? About 3:45pm central time. But, even if it was just the same day, it's still interesting.
Jim, I am grateful for all the information you give us! I feel like I could just ask a question and know that you will fill us in with more than I knew I wanted to know!
Kathy, I'm looking at Kristen's study. I'm keeping an open mind on the rapture timing. I have noticed that Corrie ten Boom didn't beleive in pretrib rapture.
Another question: I've heard that the idea of the rapture only came up sometime in the 1800's. Does anyone know anything about that and why would that be? Some of my more "intelligent" friends don't seem to believe it will happen as we say it will.
Harold and Grumpy Atty (I always think "Grumpy attorney" :) ) I miss you.
I'm done thinking out loud now and am off to church.
there are no cattails where I live unless there are some in the mountains. we'd have to make do with prickly pear, saguaro, and other such prickly entities. they can be eaten. maybe I'll find a cookbook or something.
Anne, Shalom! I have to confess, it's VERY hard for me to give a simple or quick answer on history and other social sciences because to me, so much depends on context. If you're not going to give context, then the simple or one-line answer immediately skews the listener's viewpoint, and I want people to be able to make up their minds.
As for the mark of the beast, that's why I believe Islam will play a major part in the Tribulation. The Bismillah is worn on a cloth wrapped around the forehead or on the right arm (the Greek of Revelation can be translated as "right hand", "right arm", or "right side.") Bismillah is usually translated as "In the name of Allah", but it's actually a very idiomatic expression that conveys a number of ideas. The word can also be translated as "As an instrument of the One." "The One" in Arabic expresses the idea of G_D as The One and Only, but it also is definite about being "one." In other words, the Bismillah, by itself, denies the Triune G_D: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Since it denies the Holy Spirit, it is blasphemy against the Spirit.
Most Americans aren't aware of that, and would think of it only in the common translation, "In the name of Allah." Since Allah is another word for G_D, then there's nothing wrong with wearing that on an armband or headband, especially if it means you'll be able to buy and sell food.
Jesus I trust in you!
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Anne
with regards to your question on the rapture theory coming up in the 1800's. Dr Ice has a book out that refutes/discusses that-blanking on the name at this time. There were apparently early church fathers back in the 1st century after Christ who believed in a Rapture. Actually what most are talking about when they say "it wasn't around until the 1800's is dispensational theory altogether and that also seems to be in some of the early writings. Usually it is claimed it can not be so because it wasn't part of early church tradition. Also there are a few scattered others that apparently taught dispensationalism before Darby according to Dr Ice's research.
Two thoughts on that. We should realize that tradition and what scripture says are not necessarily one and the same. Two, the prophets were told to seal up the understanding of the prophecy so it wouldn't be clearly understood until the end of days. So if understanding was to be sealed up until end of days
1- I wouldn't necessarily expect that the early church fathers would have understood and a lot of teaching done on this subject by people such as Augustine, Luther etc was based on replacement theology-that the church is Israel and gets Israel's blessings because God is done with the Jews for all time. Had they actually carefully read the book of Hosea and understood it accurately I doubt they could have come to that conclusion. Remember that for a very long time the Jews were held accountable by Christians for killing Christ and so were highly persecuted at various times by various governments. Further no one at all ever expected to see the nation of Israel ever again as a real nation.
2-I would expect that understanding would increase as the end of days approaches since that is actually what scripture says and the late 1800's is when John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren started actively teaching dispensationalism and made it popular for lack of a better word. So dispensationalism wasn't taught actively for very many years before Israel became a nation again. Keep in mind that teaching dispensationalism at the time would have been earth shaking and really far out since most denominations at the time taught and practiced replacement theology and the Jews were scattered to the four corners of the earth with no homeland in sight.
Thomas Ice collection will contain some of this info I'm sure. I just found that site this morning and will have to look at it further myself. another site to look at would be PreTrib research center
Regarding the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit Dr Frucht has an interesting take on this. He feels that this was a one time sin by the Jewish leaders of Christ's day because they attributed His works and miracles to Satan and not to God. He explains in his book Footsteps of the Messiah that he feels additionally by claiming that Christ was empowered by the devil, they actively and deliberately led the people away and into rejection of Christ as Messiah. He feels that the Scripture seems to indicate that Christ will not come back until the religious and political leaders of Israel specifically ask Christ to come back as Messiah that Christ's second coming will not happen. Until the leaders of the nation lead the mourning for rejecting Christ the first time, He will not come back the second time. Frucht does have a teaching you can purchase about Sins against the Holy Spirit. I would have to think that would be his teaching on the subject. It is an MP3 file. His site is Ariel the teaching is under messianic studies under the heading fruit from the Frucht.
two interesting articles this morning off of drudge caught my eye
A Young Charismatic Leader rises, and he's Jewish too
18 months to global disaster according to Prince Charles
Joel did make and interesting comment about global warming when he was on Glenn Beck that the Bible does say that up to a third of the earth will be scorched during the Tribulation. Maybe this global warming stuff ain't so far fetched! at least after a fashion
My email address is up now, in case anyone wants to email me. I didn't realize it wasn't up before.
Vicki
Jib,
I've had the same thought about Global Warming. God knows in advance all things so it just may be that the timing of a natural warming/cooling cycle (depends who you talk to) will cause these cataclysmic events we are now witness to. He knows the cycles so He knows what the cause and effect will be and let us know in advance.
But the copycat enemy uses this as a tool to cause a social agenda of distraction. People are so focused on "Save the Planet" "We caused the problem" that they don't look to God for help. It's all about themselves doing the work to fix it.
But the religion of "Global Warming" also brings it into focus as a "Global Problem" therefore causing the world to unite in a "Global Thought Process".
I've had this thought in the back of my mind (fuzzy like) but never really brought it forth into focus until now.
Do you all agree? Any other ideas?
Lisa
Regarding the rapture, it is true that it has only recently been widely taught.
The Futurism concept (the idea that most prophecy fulfilment happens after the Rapture) was developed in 1585 by Jesuit Father Francisco Ribera.
In more modern times, this idea was taken up by Scofield, who used it in his notes in the Scofield Reference Bible, which is widely used--thus its popularity today.
Steve Wohlberg has a good site that explores this topic as well as many that you are discussing on this forum--Rapture, Israel, Armageddon, etc.
Steve is a Jewish Christian and explains things so even I can understand it!
If you are intereted in "the rest of the story", his site is here:
White Horse Media
God bless,
Vicki
I was at Church today and was looking at their library of DVD teachings which looked good. Past sermons and such. One by Chuck Missler-learn the Bible in 24 hours. (Yeah sure-but for a beginner it's probably well done)
But then I saw the only two books they had. I had the red light buzzer go off in my head. I stood there dumbfounded but maybe I'm just hypersensitive right now. I recall some of you talking about these books (And I don't think it was positive ) but I have not read them so can't comment.
1. "A purpose driven Life", by Rick Warren.
2. The Shack.
If these are some kind of New Age watered down gospel books I am just going to have a cardiac arrest on the spot.
Lisa,
I was just reading a critique about The Shack yesterday. I found it at the Rapture Ready site. Here's a snippet. If you want the whole article, go to the site and type in "The Shack" and you'll find it. I wasn't looking for it specifically, but read it while searching for something else.
"Nowhere in the Bible do Father, Son, and Holy Spirit simultaneously assume physical forms on earth. The Shack, however, portrays Jesus as a carpenter, the Holy Spirit as an Asian woman, and God the Father as a large black woman named…Papa"
Blessings,
Jen
Lisa, naw you don't want to waste your time reading them. Go back a few subject postings here at the cave and I think it was Mac who responded about them.
Put the name of them in your Google search box and then start reading the responses to it.
JIB and Alesia, I had major problems with the attempt I made to have the Cave's comments emailed to me. I had a whole bunch of email address sent to me that I could not understand where and who they referred to. So, I disconnected from them and my email filled up so fast that I am back to square one with them again. I believe it is a Google thing because my security protection cleans out cookies, cache and all manner of internet left behinds automatically.
I am contacting Google about the situation and we will see what they have to say and what they will do about it.
Otherwise, there is a spy among us.hehehehehe
That hot/cool hat for Mr. Hyde is something I want to see. Do u suppose it could have a cute little propeller on the top with bells on it. That way you could tell where he was at any given moment.
God has and is good to Okieland today and I can't belive how really beautiful it is outside.
By the way, when hubby was on his horrible wheat intolerance diet in 1983 and beyond, he was not allowed any wheat, yeast, milk or eggs at all. NADA BIG TIME. I learned to bake with things like Soyflour, rice flour, potato starch and millet. Oh, we had fun learning how but I made cakes, pies, cookies,besides all of the other really healthy foods he had to consume. So, there is always a way to survive and God does provide at all times. I just purchased a new huge box of Hershey's cocoa and the price of it has tripled in the last 9 months. Did you know that you can add a tablespoon of cocoa powder to beef stew or chili and it increases the food value of the meal? Also, you can use beer in your bread recipes for the yeast. If I can find the web site that has all of this info on it I will post it for any of you that are interested.
I have been laying aside a lot of dried fruits and veggies just in case but they also make great munchies any time. Those boxes of Ramen that you can get in the stores, remove the seasoning bag and use the noodles in place of potatoes in your stews or put some dried veggies in them, add some chicken or beef broth and walla you have a great soup.
We can do anything when we have to.
Have a wonderful Lord's Day everyone and Shalom!
Grany
Yeah, Jim, I think the Islam theory makes a lot of sense, too. Another reason people might choose to submit ties in with what you are saying (Allah just "means" God). "If I just give in to these nuts who want to behead me if I don't agree with them, I am, after all, just calling God by another name. I'll just say Allah and think to myself God." If we are not strong enough to defend our faith to friends, family and acquaintances, how will we hold up when the sword is to our neck?
Jib, thanks for your response. I now have so many tabs open, I'll be busy all afternoon! Vicky, I'll look at yours, too.
Grany, the day I learned about adding chocolate to chili, I immediately made a pot. Then as each family memeber came home from work, school etc. (we all had crazy schedules at the time and didn't have meals together much) I gave a bowlful to each and asked them to guess the mysterious ingredient, proclaiming they would never guess in a million years. EACH OF THEM GUESSED CHOCOLATE FIRST THING even though they had never heard of such a thing and you really can't taste the chocolate. I was dumbfounded and perplexed that my surprise ingredient was so easily found out.
You have to read this if you want a good laugh:
The Next witch Hunt
Lisa said:
"But the religion of "Global Warming" also brings it into focus as a "Global Problem" therefore causing the world to unite in a "Global Thought Process"."
NEVER thought of it that way but absolutely possible!! It really makes such sense!
Freaky....
In His Name...
If any of you are interested, there is a book you might want to get your hands on called, The Natural World Cookbook. It was written by Joe Freitus and published by The Stephen Greene Press.
It has recipes for most wild edibles including; armadillo, fishes, bear, mollusks, venison, duck, eel, frog, goose, oppossum, pheasant, quail, rabbit, squirrel, woodchuck, and just about any plant you can imagine.
"If these are some kind of New Age watered down gospel books I am just going to have a cardiac arrest on the spot."
Someone get out the paddles to jump start Lisa's heart!
Jib, Shalom! I found a couple of interesting links off the article on Jean Sarkozy. The first is the link titled, The population explosion on Europe’s doorstep. It's pointing out the problems Europe is having now (and will only get worse) because it has a total fertility rate (TFR) – the average number of children a woman bears in her lifetime – of 1.5, well below the 2.1 required to replace the people already here. Meanwhile, the nations to the south of Europe have a TFR of 2.9, so they're growing and growing rapidly. At present rates, Yemen will have about half the population of Russia (which is 30 times bigger) by 2050. Interesting reading.
The second is that Rice price dives as US and Japan set to unlock grain pact. Apparently part of the recent high price of rice had to do with trade agreements between Japan and the US. If the two countries can come to an agreement on modifying those agreements, tons of rice will be freed up for the world market, driving down prices. Ain't agribusiness grand!
Jesus I trust in you!
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Lisa, shalom! One thing to watch for if you're going to do stuff like collect nettles for nettle soup (now THAT'S a meal that'll "stick" to you), make sure you do it in an area that hasn't been sprayed with pesticides.
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Hamas Blocks 'Licentious' Websites
Arabs Torch Jewish Wheat Fields in Samaria
At the behest of Quartet envoy Tony Blair the government has removed a major checkpoint and destroyed a young Jewish community
Israel, Palestine discuss peace in private: Rice
Deputy IDF chief, top US military official discuss Iran
US House speaker: Nothing should be ruled out in order to stop Iran
Bush tells Arab world to fight terror
Lebanon gov't challenges Hezbollah on weapons arsenal
Is Israel breaking its own taboo on talks with Hamas
New tremor hits China; fresh tremor, which measured 5.7 in magnitude, brought down a large number of houses, damaged 235 miles of roads and six bridges
Astronomers baffled by weird, fast-spinning pulsar "...The big question is -- how in the heck did this thing form, because it doesn't follow our standard models of how these things form..."
Lisa, I just hear the song now "Come nettle me, come nettle me (sung to Come Fly With Me) and due to the fact that is all of the previous song I ever remembered, just keep repeating it. I think some of the rest of the song had something about "down San Francisco way" and Frankie, ole blue eyes, sang it.
JIM CARROLL, you are on a roll brother and don't stop now when you are just doing so good.
By the way Lisa, those books are Purpose Driven material and the purpose is to take you away from the Godspel.
Love you all and enjoying your conversing.
Grany
Nettle Shoots Hawaiian Style
1 1/2 lb. fresh, young nettle shoots
2 T butter
1/4 c. water
1 tsp. soy sauce
1/2 tsp. salt
Wash the shoots, then cut into bite-size pieces. Melt the butter in a skillet. Add the water, soy sauce and salt. Bring to a boil, add the nettle shoots, cover and cook for 3-5 minutes. Serve hot and serves 4.
I just read on the internet headlines that apparently some us soldiers used the koran for target practise.
Now...it sure seems dumb for the us news people to be broadcasting something like that out to the whole world!
Lori...those news links are sooo appreciated!
since I was on the cardiac unit when I read Lisa's comment and Alesia's comment it was most funny.
Lori
interesting recipe. as Jim says, it likely would stick with you for a while! Do they count as starches or veggies?
I ran into my Jewish friend whom I loaned Epicenter to. He loved the book (decided he needed to go back and read the book of Ezekiel) and is lending it to others. We were talking at lunch the other day and he asked me a question about something and my response was that Israel would be taking on Syria and that Damascus would be obliterated to rubble and uninhabitable. He gave me an odd look and I referred him to Is 17. He saw me today and got all excited because some commentator whose name now escapes me was talking either today or yesterday saying that Israel should not bother to go after Lebanon again but strike at Syria instead. She feels that Rice convinced the Israeli's back in 06 not to go after Syria because we were negotiating with them to stay out of Iraq. Her comment was that since the surge has worked and Iraq is more stable than it was that she thinks the next time Israel goes to war they're going after Syria. He was just amazed about hearing something in the secular realm that I had commented on a coupe days earlier from a Bible prophecy point of view. Since Joel is speaking in Tucson this coming weekend may be I'll print out a flyer and give it to him.
Lisa,
You can find out lots about the Purpose Drivel...I mean, Purpose Driven Church...at that good standby, ChristianResearchNetwork.com.
CRN
If you go way down the page on the right, it will link you to anything you might wish to know about Purpose Driven and Rick Warren.
Bad news--hope your church doesn't get into it.
Re: Wheat Intolerance/Celiac--
I was at a bridal shower today where the bride is wheat intolerant. Someone made a gluten-free carrot cake and it was delicious.
I like what you said, Grany..."We can do anything when we have to..." and might I add, "With the Lord's help!"
Vicki
Anne,
You said,
Since the only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, and taking the mark of the beast separates us from God permanently, do you think that the mark will somehow include blasphemy against the Spirit?
In the context of when Jesus said it, it was addressed to the Pharisees, because they would not accept that what He, Jesus was doing - all the miracles, signs, healings, casting out of demons, etc, was of God.
If that as the cae then, we need to be very careful that we do not do likewise. The Pharisses were thje religios leaders of the time, they probsably knew more abotu the Old Testament scriptures that we do today, and they STILL got it SO wrong.
As I have said before (and I am only paraphrasing Jesus), the traditions of men and religion are the two most dangerous impediments to real Christianity. They make, according to Jesus, the Word of God (that's both the written word - the Logos, the spoken word of power - the Rhema, and the Son of God Himself ineffective to be able to work in people's lives.
That is why the sin against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven - people who commit that sin have for all intents and purposes rejected Jesus, and have called the work of Holy Spirit the work of the devil.
As far as that relates to receiving the Mark of the Beast, if you have already rejected Jesus, why would you not accept the Mark?
John
Lisa
2 of the links off the cave site to Slice of Laodecia and Lighthouse Trails Research write quite a bit on the emergent church and it's philosophy.
Now this is intriguing, because if true (and it probably is - it comes from Debkafile) the right hand of thee US (call that the State Dept, with Condi) and the left hand (call that the Defense Dept) REALLY do not know what they are doing.
Exclusive from US sources: Washington urged Israel to seize opportunity and clobber Iran-backed Hizballah (last week!)
Also, just in, and really not a surprise..
Exclusive: Olmert and Barak finally opt for truce rather than military operation in Gaza
Basically "peace" at ANY price, as long as Israel does not have to actually fight....
In my bok that says Olmert and Barak are cowards...
John
interesting sermon this AM in church given by our youth leader. He was telling the high school graduates about the desires of their heart. He was speaking out of Ps 37 and he said that the Hebrew word for "delight" meant to be pliable and moldable-in other words if they were pliable and moldable by God that He would grant them the desires of their heart.
Mac,
I too saw the article at Prewrath Rapture Dot Com. I prefer to just present the scriptures that support the prewrath position.
Anne,
I'm glad you are reading Kristen's study. Let me know what you think, won't you? If you have any questions for her yourself, you can email her from her website. I know she wouldn't mind hearing from you.
Lisa,
I just posted my answer to your question at my blog.
My granddaughter is with me this afternoon so I need to get back to her!
Vicky, I agree it is a lot easier with the Lord's help to do what proportions really a good substitute for wheat flour? I even made my own leavening back in the terrible diet days. Gluten is one of the rascals in this intolerance ever we have to but long before I was born, people were doing what they had to just to stay alive. Some of the things they did a Born Again Christian wouldn't venture to do but people from Ireland lived on potatoes during the famine in 1845. Here is a link with some very astonishing info. Some of my ancestors lived through that famine and the stories they told were horrible.
/www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/introduction.htm
Oh, I would much prefer our way but you know, my heart aches for those who do not know the Lord and they will resort to violence to keep from starving to death. Makes me just want to dig deeper into the safety of God's shadow and stay there.
My hubby and I went to investigate some new property on the market and the 120 acres included a well known cave. The day we were there it was at least 92 degrees with no breeze and it was miserable. The Realtor wanted to show us something really unique and took us to this huge area that just looked like a perfect place to make arrows. Well, he moved a boulder by the entrance to the cave and it was the most welcome cool spot I have ever experienced. The Native Americans in the area have used it for a Stomp Dance and council fires gathering for a long time. Now, if I were to want to escape the terrible things going on in the world that would be one of the spots I would pick. The temps stay about the same summer and winter and the cave is very long and sheltered. They used to grow mushrooms in it commercially and it was great. No sunshine but shelter galore. Bet it will be crowded too.
On my property in northern Missouri there are many caves and at least 17 natural artesian wells that used to be used regularly. As late as 1947 the water was very pure. I wonder if that will hold true during the tribulation. There is one cave that the sun comes through a break in the rock formations and that place is a real sanctuary.
So see, you can survive but the quality of the survival depends on whose Child you are.
Shalom and welcome to the blog Vicki
Grany
Jib, Shalom!
Next time you see your Jewish friend, ask him if he's considered making aliyah. I think that's important for every Jew in America (in the world, actually, but in America in particular, given the safe haven they've had here) to seriously consider. I have an MP3 of an Israel National Radio show (Light Unto Nations) where one of the guys was making a speaking tour of the US. He told about how he was speaking at a synagogue in Florida (I believe). Now, this was part of a weekly lecture series that drew maybe 20 people at the most. For this lecture about Israel and aliyah, there were over 120 people. The room was filled to overflowing, and what amazed the rabbi the most wasn't that over half of the people there were Christian, it was that when the speaker made the point that Jews need to make aliyah, ALL of the Christians in the room said "YES!"
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Grany, Shalom! I was wondering if you've had the water from your artesian wells tested in the last year. I remember last year we talked about this and you had talked about the growth in water pollution in that area.
Jesus I trust in you!
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"I too saw the article at Prewrath Rapture Dot Com. I prefer to just present the scriptures that support the prewrath position."
Kathy, that's what I appreciate about you, even though we have eschatological differences.
JIM CARROLL, yes I did! In fact, the State of Missouri was very interested in getting all of the artesian wells checked and located. Ours came back great and it was a real relief too. In the process of getting that done, the biggest polluter got the opportunity of correcting his disposal system and in the process, the plant was sold to Smithfield and they are doing a great job of making corrections.
We don't run cattle on my land and the terrain is perfect for keeping them safe again. I really get upset with people who could care less about the welfare of our natural resources and do great damage out of ignorance. There, I used the big "I" word.
I just devoured a wonderful dish of natural pineapple sherbet and it was so goooooodddddd! Open up your mouth Jim, and I will spoon feed you something that will make your eye lashes curl up like Mel Gibson's.
Gotta go get my kithen mess cleaned up. Be back later.
Grany
Grany,
You may need to but that property if Overcomer is ever proven correct on her Pre-wrath theory.
We'll just switch this cave for your cave. Could you imagine us all togeather-in physical form?
It would be like that Survival show. We know we've got a doctor, and we've got a semi-survivalist,and I don't know how well an interior designer can make an actual "cave" comfy but I'm pretty resourceful and creative,.....anyone else want to add?
We went to a "Renissance Festival" today (My 1st one) because we all like horses and hadn't seen jousting in person before.
I could have probably guessed this so I was not overly suprised. There were alot of booths w/various wares. Many occultish. Tarot readers, incense, crystals,gypsy things, ingraved occult images,dragon & devilish artwork. One had some type of leather shoes in it. Looked like that time period. Someone was asking the lady who made these how she did make so many? She replied that she couldn't unless the Wickens help her. Others ran around w/little devil horns/wings,and pointy fairy ears.
Then the rain started pouring down so we all ran into an artwork booth. The owner-mid 20's was sitting there w/his legs stretched out. He had some type of Medevil boots/shin guards on.The type that would normally have spikes on them.
But instead of spikes he had on some type of green dice. I thought to myself "well how creative". I've never seen that kind of dice before. Then I thought Wigi board-
so I asked him. They were all from the Dungeons and Dragons game.
They also had an area where you could throw an ax,knives,or chinese stars. So we went up to watch. This guy w/tatoos and a tall mohawk was throwing these knives in a way that made me think of the Tribulation.
Then I thought these type of people would relish the thought of going after the Christians if given free will to do it.
It was a chilling thought.
Does anyone know why there are always crosses mixed w/occult items? Especially Jewelry.
That is sure a mixed message unless the "style" or crosses symbolize something other than Jesus Christ.
Oh no, here goes my mind again. This could be dangerous.
"This is getting people accustomed to mixing New Age Occult beliefs with Christianity. The purpose is meant to dull the senses."
Lisa
in actuality most of the Renfaire folks are pretty harmless-at least at this point in time now when the Tribulation comes around we'll see. A lot belong to the Society for Creative Anachronism-they are more interested in learning arts crafts and war techniques and preserving this from middle ages. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that quite a few are into new age stuff and wouldn't surprise me to find a few true Christians in the bunch either. They tend to come from all walks of life. Many will no doubt be able to adapt to some of what happens in the Tribulation because they do have skills rooted in a non technology past.
Lisa, my cave might need some cleaning and repair but it is always open to all of you here. The only thing that bothers me about the cave in Missouri is it gets really cold up there in the winter (27 below zero is not uncommon) and we would have to have some axes and woodsmen to cut the wood. My little red handled axe wore out a long time ago. But guess what, wild game is plentiful (turkey, deer, rabbits, quail, pheasant, and all kinds of chickens, ducks, beef (good too), and pork.
Wild berries flourish but so do chiggers, ticks and poison ivy. I think it would be a good thing to keep a supply of aloe vera on hand for first aid situations. We could have a great time and make the hills come alive praising and worshiping the Lord. Ya all come! Ya hear?
Love each of you,
Grany
Lisa
most of the jewelry is rooted in celtic Ireland tradition which has a tradition of mixing the pagan with Christian and has for centuries. Keep in mind, most of the symbols that are used in the jewelery are not new and in fact may be centuries old. I buy from one of the jewlers but am fairly picky about what I purchase. They always give me a "meaning sheet" which I then use to browse the jewelery and weed out that which I wouldn't want to wear or purchase. Not all of it is ocultic and in fact some is purely celtic Christian. I have a lovely celtic cross necklace and earrings-no other meaning according to their sheet and does resemble crosses that I have seen in pictures from Irish churches. As far as the "meaning" of the stones in the jewelery I pay little attention to that.
I found this site of symbols. It's quite interesting. I saw many of these at this festival. One in particular is the Triquetra. There was a big banner of the style w/the three legs and Medusa's head in the middle. If you click on the picture it takes you to more info.
Symbols
Then I ran across this. Try to read it through. It's quite something if you grasp the concept.
ALCHEMY
Overcomer,
I'm still here. I'm having a hard time reading each thread every day. Been too busy with work and kids. Between my wife and I, we keep up with you guys.. barely. I did start working on the timeline we discussed last week and I'll check out the one you mentioned. I may PM you once I get a working copy.
Lisa and Granny,
The whole idea of a physical backup cave is cool.
I'm a family practice doc with TONS of medical supplies, and grew up spending weekends in the Sierra Nevada range, (California). My son and I can shoot anything you'd want to eat, or not. My wife can cook anything and make in taste great. I have enough water purification stuff for about 30 people a day. If you're serious about listing the skills/resources of this group why don't we get a 128 encrypted site to logon to and we can play what if.
I personally believe the Lord may want us where we are until whatever happens, with the preparations we've made, because we are literally 100 yds away from 6000 college students. If things get bad what an awesome mission field that would be!! I might consider packing up if my children were threatened, but I know the Spirit will lead me if it comes to that.
I guess this falls under the heading of being prepared like Proverbs says, and then having faith in the Lord. We live in exciting times my friends!
In His Grip,
Scott
Vicki, this is Tommy Ice’s response to Wohlberg. I have seen Wohlberg’s book, taken a look at a couple of chapters and thought he took a minimalist approach with the various issues. He really does not go into it technically in-depth. His book reminds me of another one that I took a look at and is doing the rounds (in Australia) called “666 and all that”. There again, the two authors did a shallow job without really understanding or articulating the scriptural issues very well. IMO.
When the Truth Gets Left Behind
BTW I’m no fan of the Left Behind books – I started reading them then struggled to maintain interest– but LaHaye has a book out called “The Rapture, Who will face the Tribulation”. I do NOT recommend the book as a great defence of pre-trib but it DOES refute a lot of the myths surrounding supposed pre-trib origins. There is still a lot of misinformation consistently being generated by certain people. For example, no sooner had Dr Ironside passed away that someone wrote an article claiming that he’d rejected pre-trib teaching just before his death. LaHaye refutes this, the Darby fallacies and more. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again – if anyone wants to refute something, they should use Sola Scriptura not hearsay.
The Pre-trib Research Center has a number of articles that discuss this further. I was going to provide links but I figure if anyone is really interested they know where to find them.
Lisa, Shalom! Crosses have always been a part of occult symbology, usually meaning something like the four points of the compass. There are also a wide variety of crosses that have been used by different Christians over the centuries. An offset cross (with the crossbeam closer to the top) with a circle around the center of the cross is a Celtic Cross, used by the Irish and other Celtic tribes as they became Christianized. An Orthodox Cross will have an additional short crosspiece towards the bottom of the cross (for Christ's feet); the Free French during WW2 would have a cross with additional short crosspieces at the top and the bottom; and the Russian Orthodox use a cross like the Free French except the top crosspiece is set at an angle.
Jesus I trust in You!
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Now that my eyes are watering I think I better quit-but this looked intriguing. It's a symbol that Islam and Judaism both use.
The Hand/Eye one.
Info was interesting. If you keep clicking forward it explains about the wars in the Middle East w/Israel. There is probably something in there to be gleaned but my mind just doesn't soak up war strategy & those type of details very well. You men might be better at that.
If they make some new peace treaty I wonder if that symbol will pop up.
Tricked you. I'm calling it a night.
Hamsa
I just found this in my email from my former Church.
I had emailed my former Pastor the Blood Moon info just in case he didn't already know @ the time it was cave posted. He just sent this email out today to the congregation.
Prophetic Implications
He has a link on it to another article he wrote - maybe Harold & Grumpy want to check it out.
I really am going to bed. Really I am.
But after I read my Pastor's main article I just mentioned and clicked his Christopher Columbus link-Look at what he found! And read on about Columbus-it's really a great article!
"Then he went back several centuries and the next time four blood moons occurred was in 1493, right after Columbus sailed to the New World, and the Jews were kicked out of Spain during the Inquisition (see my article on Christopher Columbus here for more details and the significance of this event). "
Do you all know where Kristen has a group of believers hiding out during the great tribulation in her novel "The Appearing"? In a cave!
Scott, thanks for dropping in and saying hi. You sound like a busy guy. My husband and I moved to the Pacific NW from the Bay Area in 1989. We used to camp at Pinecrest. Ever heard of it? I love the Sierra Nevadas, especially Yosemite! Now that is a beautiful, beautiful area! I grew up camping at Mammoth also, and June Lake. Ever been to Bodie? That's a neat old ghost town.
My husband and I have no plans to do anything differently, at least not until we see a prince sign a seven year covenant with Israel. If we are still here when that happens, we'll begin then making preparations.
Thank you for your kind words Mac.
A blessed week to you all.
Kathy
Amazing stupidity from the land of Oz:
Costly, 'magical' spell cast on Port Phillip Council
Mac - you want me to make 5 more silly comments so you can put up the new post?
Words of warning to the West By Joel Richardson
I delete my sillies now.
Ooh, I forgot people get these in their emails too
1,000 pardons folks.
Very tired, slap happy, I am
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