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Philippians 4:6-7 (New International Version)
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
very timely passage JIM G.
and I shall keep praying for America, to be sure. Of course, that includes getting my own life in order and cleared out of all stubble, hay and such.
Grany
A brother I meet with regularly for mutual encouragement and accountability challenged me to commit it to memory this week! I'm beginning to see just how timely it is!!!
Anne,
I've ran across that theory before as well. Last night D.H just asked me that very question.
2 Thes 2:9
"The coming of the lawless one is according to the workings of Satan, with all power, (ALL Power?)
signs, (ALL signs-healings even?) , and lying wonders (We can only imagine.), and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this reason (truth reason)
God will send them a strong delusion that they should believe the lie that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through the sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for obtaining the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ...."
Chuck Smith makes a comment that he's heard about this theory & doesn't know if the commentators are correct or not. Rev 20 mentions martyrs so just better to be safe & act now. Some people do have the attitude that "if/when" the church is raptured-"then" they'll come to Christ & won't get the mark of the Beast.
**God is not one to be mocked so I'm fearful for the unrighteous who are overly confident in this plan. Again, we don't know all the details so it's another end time speculation.
Again-it all comes down to one's heart condition & we know God's the heart reader. He's got it all perfectly worked out-in that we can rest assured.
Gal. 6:1 and 2:
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
In fact, I would suggest reading the entire Chapter. For that matter the entire book of Gal. is only six chapters :) Such GOOD (God) instructions for all believers.
Okay. Allow me to make a few comments, about the hyper Faith movement. Is it all correct and solid teaching? Maybe no more (or less) than any other denomination, if you want to go clear thru all their belief systems and codes, etc. However, that's not my point.
I look at the hyper Faith movement as (for the most part) loving God, and trying to do all the right things. Do they go a little overboard?
Did Peter go "overboard" more than a few times? One time Peter got so excited seeing Jesus walking on the water, that he asked Jesus if it was okay to join him. (smile) Did it work out? Not really :) BUT, Jesus didn't say Peter was trying to start a new cult, or anything, either. (So, my point is; in agreeing with Kenneth E. Hagin, when he said; "don't worry about a little wild fire;...because there are always plenty of wet blankets around to put it out." (it's a joke, you're suppose to smile :)
There are plenty of spin offs, too. People that (for instance) say; there are "formulas" for being healed, and receiving from God. And that you shouldn't go to see a doctor, etc. (because it's showing lack of Faith in God, etc.) Of course, we know that these beliefs are in error. Because God provided healing thru the medical profession, too. (Luke was a Doctor)
Personally, I wouldn't mind starting a new sect, here in the Pacific Northwest, because of the lack of believers. I believe I'd call it; The Spitters. Remember, Jesus spit on the ground and made clay. Well? The person was healed, right? There you go! We could all wear tin foil hats, and such, too.
What is my point? Gotcha! No real point to; the Spitters. Just thought I'd throw it in, because I doubt anyone's mind will be changed, either/or. Just offering my opinion. Of all the 12, Peter was pretty impulsive, wasn't he? He did some really radical stuff. But Jesus said; He prayed for Peter. So, the bottom line would always be...pray for those ministries we don't agree with, etc. I would agree with Anonymous (from previous blog) 100% on that point. Pray for them.
Remember:
Jesus is coming.
Look busy :)
Radio chip coming soon to your driver's license? I was wondering if like the Fast Trac-Freeway Carpool pass-if you put the licence in a metallic like bag that the radio frequencies would not be able to pick it up.
Lisa, very good point about Rev 20.
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
BTW, this the verse that posttribs associate with 1Th 4:15-17 - which is actually a big problem for them when you really think about it.
Lisa,
Can you give me a link to that Mark Biltz article you mentioned March 19, 2009 6:13 PM?
I can't seem to find it. Thanks.
I loved that tin foil hat link yesterday w/all the different styles. I plan to post it over @ Marzulli's blog. That will stir it up (:
I would prefer mine to be made out of multi-colored foil with one of those propeller dingle-hoppers on top that spins in the wind.
Jim G.
Here it is: Feasts of the Lord Prophecy Newsletter March 19, 2009 Volume 2, Issue 3
Will the Jews return to Temple Mount?Jewish tradition also holds that Mashiach – literally "the anointed one," the Jewish Messiah – will come and rebuild the third and final temple on the Mount in Jerusalem and bring redemption to the entire world.
Anne
I don't know, When I think of the number of times that people are witnessed to now before they actually heed that small still voice-who's to say?
as to the great deception-we just have know idea what it is or what it entails other than there is one. we really don't even know if it involves the rapture, faith or lack thereof etc.
we do know that God does and will give people over to their hardened hearts because He knows no amount of wooing will bring them into His fold. but that has happened in OT times and happens now even before the rapture so who knows
Thanks, everyone, for your comments. I thought it was interesting to hear Jeremiah say this considering our very recent discussion about it. Grany, I'm sorry to say I don't remember if he backed it up with scripture. I was listening on my way to church and only heard a very few minutes. I will let you know if I learn anything further in my own research. I'll tell y'all one thing, the possibility sure makes me pray most seriously for loved ones who have rejected God or simply are putting of any real committment.
Anonymous, we have many civil discussions about many issues, and well, sometimes we get carried away with our own perspectives and get a bit testy. But, I think many of us would really like to engage in a polite discussion with you. I can now see that you are concerned about people you care about believing something false. Would you talk more about that? And please, give us just a first name, even if it's made up. You can still sign in as anonymous, just sign your name at the bottom of your message.
Mr. Hyde, thanks for suggesting that we continue praying for America. Is there anything we should pray for in regards to Australia? I'm afraid we Americans do get a bit focused on ourselves sometimes, mate.
Anne;
I almost hate to bring it up but, those that believe in a post-trib rapture don't have a problem with the question of being saved after the rapture. They do however, have a problem of who will populate the kingdom in their natural bodies.
Maranatha!
Judge Not, By Ron Graham
Anonymous, a number of years ago, I had the opportunity to watch Benny Hinn and Copeland . Hinn's message changed significantly from his beginning, and he is now far more concerned about salvation than prosperity. Copeland, on the other hand primarily talked about prosperity in his regular program, and his wife Gloria was worse. While I believe that God wants his people to prosper, and they most certainly will if they listen to their master, the more important tv message needs to be one of salvation.
Hanegraaff on the other hand has a very narrow view of what is righteous and what is evil, and anyone that does not fit his definition is tossed out. The last time I heard him, it seemed like he took the title "the Bible answer man" personally, and had become the ultimate authority. His rants against Christian Rock show his narrowmindedness. (I usually don't listen to rock that much as I prefer country and heavy metal) I find that he is far more driven by his definitions than by Scripture, therefore I neither trust his reporting, nor his ability to distinguish between different and wrong. On the major cults, he has good info, but that is available from a number of other sources. I did appreciate his predecessor Walter Martin a fair bit more.
I hope you take the time to do more investigation of both Copeland and Hanegraaff, and above all look for a spirit of Humility, for that is at the top of the spiritual development ladder
WAYNE, great response. I don't have a mind set that desires God to make me rich, never have and never will but I do cherish getting to know the full character of God and seeing the men and women he has called to minister in His Name. I have always felt it was my responsibility to keep myself straight and on course, to encourage and help others when they ask me to and to see that the young ones are not taken captive by the enemy of our souls. If I keep my own house clean then I can help someone else when they need me to.
You hit the important points and that is what we all need. Thank you greatly. It is great seeing you posting again and I have missed your comments and fellowship.
I started reading the scripture text that David Jeremiah used and it is well worth the time spent. However, it is necessary to go deeper than just the surface and know where and what is happening on this particular scene when the passage was representing. I can see one thing real clear though. I am reminded that God knows the hearts of those who remain after the rapture of the Church. He knows their heart, their rebellion and also, that no matter how long he would wait, they prefer their sin over God's provisions.
Time to get busy and turn up the fire for evangelism.
Grany
Thanks, Anne. We Aussies need the same prayers.
GT, I'm enjoying my posttrib study. Yes they do have a big problem regarding populating the Millennium.
Good answer, Wayne. Let's all pray for those in ministry, after all...
Jas 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
Powerful Prophecy!
10 Writhe in agony, O Daughter of Zion, like a woman in labor, for now you must leave the city to camp in the open field. You will go to Babylon; there you will be rescued. There the LORD will redeem you out of the hand of your enemies.
11 But now many nations are gathered against you. They say, "Let her be defiled,
let our eyes gloat over Zion!"
12 But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD; they do not understand his plan, he who gathers them like sheaves to the threshing floor.
13 "Rise and thresh, O Daughter of Zion, for I will give you horns of iron; I will give you hoofs of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations." You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the LORD, their wealth to the Lord of all the earth.
Micah 4:10-13
THIS QUESTION- "IS IT RIGHT TO JUDGE?" is one that puzzles many sincere Christians. A careful and open minded study of the Bible makes it clear that concerning certain vital matters, it is not only right but a positive duty to judge. Many do not know that the Scripture commands us to judge. The Lord Jesus Christ commanded, "Judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24). He told a man, "Thou hast rightly judged" (Luke 7:43). To others, our Lord asked, "Why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?" (Luke 12:57).
The Apostle Paul wrote, "I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say" (1 Corinthians 10:15). Again, Paul declared, "He that is spiritual judgeth all things" (1 Corinthians 2:15). It is our positive duty to judge.
"Beware of false prophets!" (Matthew 7:15) is the warning and command of our Lord. But how could we "beware" and how could we know they are "false prophets" if we did not judge? And what is the God given standard by which we are to judge? " To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." (Isaiah 8:20). "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16), Christ said. And in judging the "fruits," we must judge by God's Word, not by what appeals to human reasoning. Many things seem good to human judgment which are false to the Word of God.
The Apostle Paul admonished believers, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17-18). This apostolic command could not be obeyed were it not right to judge. God wants us to know His Word and then test all teachers and teaching by it. Notice also that it is the false teachers who make the "divisions," and not those who protest against their false teaching. And these deceivers are not serving Christ, as they profess, "but their own belly," or their own "bread and butter," as we would put it. We are to "mark them and avoid them."
"Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord" (2 Corinthians 6:17, read verses 14-18). and "From such turn away." (2 Timothy 3:5). "Withdraw yourselves" (2 Thessalonians 3:6). "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them " (Ephesians 5:1 1). "Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good" (Romans 12:9). "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (1 Thessalonians 5:21). It would be impossible to obey these injunctions of God's Word unless it were right to judge! And remember, nothing is "good" in God's sight that is not true to His Word.
The Apostle John wrote, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test, judge] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world " ( 1 John 4:1 ) . Again he wrote, "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.... If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" (2 John 7,10-11). This Scripture commands us to judge between those who do, and those who do not bring the true doctrine of Christ.
Maranatha
It appears that there are several anonymous' posting here. I am not the lst anonymous who wrote about the Copeland Ministries. I am the 2nd anonymous who wrote regarding my personal experiences with Copeland Ministries because of family members who are ordained ministers under the Copeland umbrella.
Amd. I'm not the last anonymous who posted about judging; although I agree whole heartedly with him or her.
I will in the future call myself "a Berean" if I post further.
Harold? Is that you? I've missed you!
I miss Harold, too
Good Morning everyone. I have been enjoying my coffee and all of the comments posted here. Good to hear from you , Nate. Been wondering about you!
So, we have 3 different anonymous people? Please, as someone else mentioned, sign a name (even a made up one) at the bottom of your post so that we can tell the differnece between who is who. We already have one who we will refer to as "Berean".
I appreciate the post about judging. We may have had a short conversation about this subject a while back, as I recall. I think that some people use the word "judge" when they are really talking about "condem". Yes, I agree with the whole post about judging. The scripture is clear on how and why we are to judge something or someone and that the measure we use to judge should be the truth of Christ. We all will have to use that measuring stick of Truth more and more in the coming days.
Speaking of judging... I just found out the my manager at work attends a church that I used to attend. It is one of the largest around here and has lots of different ministries. I used to be a small group leader through this church. I left a number of years ago due to many false happenings. The Spirit warned many times while I was there but I chose to ignore Him and my marriage suffered horribly. Anyway, my manager is in the middle of a divorce and is seeing a new man whom she met on line. I found out that she goes to this Vineyard church and she said that she really loves it. It really makes me wonder if people are just ignorant in the ways of the Lord or if she is just ignoring the fact that she is still married.`Perhaps she is a new Christian and does not know any better. I don't know her very well but am finding myself concerned for her and will pray about it all.
Hope you all have a lovely day today!
diana
Oh, also, I have been checking ou the sermons on line from that church I was wondering about. Jim G, your comments were really helpful as it appears this particular church is not associated with the cult like ones that were mentioned. This kind of church is striving to follow the New Testament pattern and all of the sermons so far that I have listened to have been very solid in scripture. I mean to say that the preacher uses the bible more than his own flowing words. My own brother is an visiting pastor (although not ordained yet as he is still in seminary) and our dad has mentioned that he can give a really great sermon without even mentioning Jesus or the gopsel in any of it! I hope he is still not doing that. I am still praying about this particular church and will listen to more of the sermons on line before I jump in there!
Diana
I don't remember which one of you is a member of Maranatha Chapel, but I wanted to tell you how much I enjoyed watching the Greg Laurie story.
I had a friend mention to me that it was shown last Wednesday, so I watched it last night. It was really a blessing.
I had watched Pastor Bentley when he had Pastor Mark Biltz as a guest some while back, but I had never listened to any of Pastor Bentley's sermons. I noticed that he was doing a series on James, so I watched several of them. I was just delighted with them. I had a couple of friends drop in and they watched them with me. The anointing was very strong, and all three of us broke into tears several times.
I'm going to remember to pray for your Pastor, when I am praying for other ministries around the country.
Maranatha,
Leanna
Hopefully, Anonymous & whomever did not just read the title "Judge Not" without reading the body of the message.
(Assuming the message only by the title as it does not reflect what one would typically think to find.)
I can see how if you like heavy metal or hard Christain rock music that Hanegraaff would strike a chord.
I'm by no means an expert on what his views are other than he draws a parallel between demonically inspired worldly music & the music some Christians are involved with that sound similar.
Personally, I agree with him that there seems to be some Christian rock band groups that compose their music to a fleshy extreme & I don't see how it would bring glory & praise to a Holy God.
Granted we are not the heart readers so all we can go by is a person's fruit. When I think of peaceable,meek,mild,gentle, & joyous- Loud,bousterous,head shaking, & body slamming just don't come to mind.
I personally was interested in "Heavy Mental" oops "Metal" music many years ago in High School. This Metal music was purely worldly & really did not produce anything positive in my life but rather the complete opposite. Everyone who I associated w/who also liked for the most part was into sex,drugs,rock-n-roll, & the Occult. Especially Wicca. (I didn't jump in head first so I stayed away from going too far w/the rest. My Christian background kicked in enough to prevent disaster.)
It was like I was flirting w/the devil thinking that as long as I didn't get too involved I would not be affected by it. (WRONG!)
So I'm not sure how the tone & sounds would produce worship & adoration for our Lord.(*Wayne you'll have to explain that one to me from a Christian viewpoint.)
The reason why I liked it at the time was that as a teenager it felt "cool" to go to the concerts & wear the latest shirt around campus. The music it's self I think somehow expressed my frustrations & how I felt @ the time. The music sounded angry & agressive - but not quite like "Acid Rock"- which I had to plug my ears or go to the insane asylum.
So from my background I can understand how someone would equate
some of this music to not be of a positive Christian nature. This is not from a fuddy duddy standpoint but from personal experience from one who used to like it.
In Todd Bentley's ministry I posted one of his rock worship bands playing w/this female dancing or should I say stomping around on stage pointing her hands like a gun as if she was shooting the Congregation.
This probably was not due to the actual music but the "spirit" expressing it's self at the time.
(& it wasn't the Holy Spirit.)
It was quite disturbing to me & not any fruit I would suggest picking.
On the other hand-I'm sure there are harps being strung w/angelic looking people worshiping w/o their hearts in the right place as well.
It would be an interesting study to research how music relates to the spiritual. I've read there are certain drum beats & rituals in the Hindu, African & other pagan religions that conjure up evil spirits into their presence.
Leanna,
Thank you-That's our pastor & his spirit is so gentle & humble.
He really speaks the truth in love.
Plus, he loves Bible prophecy, the Jewish people, & Missions.** No wonder I'm stirred up all the time.(:
It's a "mega" church but a really good one.
Joel has a couple new posts, here's the latest one:
GRANDSON OF KHOMEINI FIERCELY DENOUNCES REVOLUTION: The “mother of the Revolution” is dead at 93
Hungarian prime minister offers to resign
PLO head in Lebanon "assassinated"
House Passes Volunteerism Bill Critics Call Pricey, Forced Service read it here:
Will Egypt Will Attend Peace Deal Ceremony
Will the Jews return to Temple Mount?
Likud and Shas strike coalition deal
Iran highlights the ambition to see his rank recognized by
Iran: Death to bloggers
Iran:Drop Sanctions, End Support for Israel
US has new steps planned on Iran: White House
EU expanding its 'sphere of influence,' Russia says
Solana calls for new security structure
EU assigns funds and staff to 'Eastern Partnership'
S. Korea, EU start 'final round' of free trade talks
Klaus: Brussels ‘recreating Soviet bloc in Europe’ It seems the EU prez is critizing the EU
North Korea to fire rocket April 4-5
Japan must build defence capability
Japan 'unable' to intercept N. Korea rocket
China & US presidents to hold first meeting in London
China ready to discuss new reserve currency at G20 summit
China confirms plans to build aircraft carrier
Russia could focus on tactical nuclear weapons for subs
Russian planes fly over US naval ships
US navy vessels arrive in Bahrain after collision in Persian Gulf
Gog Gathering Steam?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali condemns Muslim faith at Palm Beach talk "Islam is not a religion of peace," she said. "It's a political theory of conquest that seeks domination by any means it can." ... "They see every act of appeasement as an invitation to make fresh demands."
The silent Exodus
Calls For A Global Currency
Lori
you've been a busy little bee! it will take me the better part of the day to read all of that.
I wish to offer some that I found from the wnd website
Incest between consenting adults may be morally wrong but should not be illegal did you know that there are countries in which this is already true? yuk, turns my stomach but really is it any surprise given societal conditions
Are you punch drunk? may be the msm is catching on to the one? we could always hope
Here's one that ought to make the blood shoot our of your eyes Now the US is calling for a global monetary standard other than the dollar which falls into the category of they really can't be serious but apparently they are.
Good Morning everyone and it is going to be an interesting one here in Okieland. The day is supposed to be filled with badddd storms, high winds and all of the rubbish that can fly, will. But just as I was cleaning up the sink area, the most beautiful ray of sunshine popped into my kitchen, where I was standing and it about melted me from the inside out. That is my promise from my Heavenly Abba that He is in control of things and life will continue on to His glory.
A friend sent this message to me this morning and I have to share it with you all. He more or less put it in perspective of what has been going on inside of me for the past 6 months. Here it is:
"Coming Together
"Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ."
(Ephesians 4:13)
Dear Grany,
You know how to listen to the voice of God and you can hear Him calling throughout the Body of Christ today. He is calling for unity. He is calling us to lay down our disagreements and come together in preparation for Jesus' return.
Just thinking about that scares some believers. "You want me to unify with someone from another denomination?" is a common question that you have been asked numerous times. "I'm not going to give up my beliefs and agree with them just for unity's sake!"
What none of us realize is that scriptural unity isn't based on any doctrine.
Winds of doctrine, according to Ephesians 4:14, are childish. Winds of doctrine don't unify. They divide and blow people in every direction. The Word doesn't say anything about us coming into the unity of our doctrines. It says we'll come into the unity of the faith.
In the past, we've failed to understand that and tried to demand doctrinal unity from each other anyway. It has never worked and never will.
"If you don't agree with me on the issue of tongues," we've said, "or on the timing of the rapture...or on the proper depth for baptismal waters, I won't accept you as a brother in the Lord. I'll break fellowship with you".
But that's not God's way of doing things. He doesn't have a long list of doctrinal demands for us to meet. His requirements are simple. First John 3:23 tells us what they are: to believe on the Name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another.
Once you and I come to a place where we keep those requirements and quit worrying about the rest, we'll be able to forget our denominational squabbles and come together in the unity of faith in God's Word. We'll grow so strong together that the winds of doctrine won't be able to drive us apart.
When that happens, the devil's going to panic because the unity of the faith of God's people is a staggering thing. It's the most unlimited, powerful thing on earth."
Our prayers are reaching areas that we never thought possible before and people are being lead to the Lord in ways that seemed impossible. Old men are having dreams, as Acts 2:17 says
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams"
Ephesians 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ."
When we begin to cherish the souls of our brothers and sisters in Christ over all else, then we will begin to live in the victory that was won for us by Christ Jesus."
That is quite a bit of meat to put on the plate this early in the morning.
Grany
Grany
David Jeremiah's dad was the first president of the college I attended and was chancellor while I was there (the college was pre-existent but Jeremiah was the first president after the baptists took over the school). He has an amazing Godly heritage and truly knows his stuff so to speak. I find it incredibly sad however that the college that his dad helped form and sheparded is really on a fast downward track.
The university really needs our prayers-they are teetering on the brink of disaster. The current President is the root cause but the board can't see it. you can read about what is going on here. suffice it to say that both postmodernism and emergent church philosophy have found a home there.
I don't remember you saying what scripture he was using, if you did I missed it. could you repost?
very true Grany and well said.
on another front for what it's worth This is what I see as the great deception-is there really an entity known as Satan
Chopra after all has a book in the Christianity section no less with the word Jesus in it! His partner is a pastor, someone who was formerly on the Trinity broadcast network.
I am constantly amazed at the number of people who "believe in Jesus" yet refuse to believe that there is an entity called Satan as well. They don't believe in an ultimately evil being warring against God. I think polls being done consistently show that the number of people who actually believe that Satan exists is getting smaller even amongst self described evangelicals-sorry something I heard in passing during a sermon and wouldn't be able to give you the poll.
wouldn't that be the ultimate deception-that there is no author of evil on the earth? wouldn't that make folks much more likely to welcome the AC? make them take the mark? this has been a source of puzzlement for me over the last few years. The Left Behind books, whether one completely agrees with the theology behind them or not, did bring Christian eschatology back into the mainstream. it hasn't been mainstream since the late 70's. Rosenberg, Hagee and a few others have also been active in this. There have been shows on TV about the existence of an AC, shows on doomsday, prophecy etc. What I haven't been able to figure out is-with all the information out there on the rapture, the AC how could people welcome the AC as a man of peace, take the mark? It makes absolutely no sense. However if you ultimately believe that there is no author of evil or ultimate evil being active on the earth, it would be easy to see the AC as a messiah figure.
Lori - thank you so much for taking the time to do "Lori's Links"!
I've been so busy lately that I haven't had the time to go surfing for news & you make my life so much easier - Really - Thanks!
Grany - Awesome message you shared.
Whoever sent that to you is wise, indeed!
Lori
well it didn't take me all day to get through the links :-) I appreciate your efforts as well since we read different things.
I really thought the exodus link was quite moving-gives the lie to the mantra that all the troubles started with the creation of a Jewish state.
from the articles today it looks as if the EU is well on it's way to having global dominion.
Thanks for the input, I wasn't sure if the links were still being read here.
Y'all remember who the pres of France is?
If you answered Jacques Chirac instead of Nicolas Sarkozy, you may already be the president of the United States.
Obama sent a letter to the French president, and called him Jacques Chirac.
I can name about 12 presidents 8 prime ministers, the last 3 pres of UN and EU and the Secy General of the EU.
Vote for me in 2012! he he he
I'll be your dept of health secretary!
the one is such an idiot, he's an embarrassment to our nation. the really unfortunate thing is that there will be some who will blame this on his race and that isn't fair to others of his race. it has nothing to do with race, it has to do the fact that he was and is the wrong man for the job irrelevant of his race.
I think Joel R should be secretary of state or at the very least the ME envoy!
I already planned on Joel as Secy of State.
Who should be in charge of Education? Wilma, you up for the challenge?
Mac, I have created a new position for you and Mr. Hyde, Prime Minister of Coffee, by the way, the perks are terrific!
What other jobs could I fill... hmmm
Late night Lisa:
I am trying something new. I am posting some of my class notes on worship and music. When you have time, chase thru the logic and come back with some questions or answers. My apologies for not having this blog in paragraph form, so it is up to you get to fill in the blanks
hopefully this will clarify the connection between music and spirituality.
LW
Miss you too, Harold. I bump into ATTY here and there and leave messages. Perhaps he thinks I'm stalking him...muhahahahaha.
Would love to get both your perspectives on this Gog/Magog, Assyrian AC thing. Even if you e-mail me. Seems like there's a lot of feisty to and froing from the prophecy scholars re that.
And, Lori, I nearly forgot - if it's not too much trouble, definitely keep posting the links. And thank you very much for your support!
Wayne,
Thanks-I'll check that out!
Jib,
The no Satan theory- that could be a main thread in the Great Deception. Interesting the JW's believe in deception & Satan but no hell. So when you die & are not saved that's it. Non-existence (not so bad?) If saved you're eventually resurrected into literal new earth to repopulate, etc..like the garden of Eden.
The New Agers/Alien type theologies I don't think believe in Satan either. Its humankind which is the problem & it's us that have to be changed into mini-gods.
So-you may be correct. There is no hell, no Satan, & Jesus was not who we think he is-type of lie.
I wonder about the Jews. They reject Messiah Jesus but the Orthodox believe it's the true Messiah who will come & rebuild the 3rd Temple. They fall for the AC to sign the treaty but will they also think the AC is their long awaited Messiah or just a good guy?
I think it's 1/3 of the Jews are saved but 2/3 of them are killed in the Tribulation. (**Now I forgot where I read that.)
There is a fun gal who boards her horse & our house. She spends so much time w/her horse & just out doing fun things. We chit chat but have not had any in depth conversation. She always has on her cross necklace so today I handed her one of the fliers about the Epicenter Conference.
I asked her if she's heard of Joel Rosenburg-no. The war of Gog/Magog-no. So I just informed her about the conference & that this particular prophecy seems like it's lining up & something could happen soon.
Her eyes got real wide & said "Oh, this kind of thing is really scary-I don't like to think about it."
I just gave her my non-chalant look & said-"Oh, well it really doesn't bother me at all."
No suprise she's doing something fun that weekend & out of town but said she was really interested in checking out more about this on the internet.
Interesting to see if this leads to further discussion. There are so many Christians unprepared if anything major happens. They have no knowledge about prophecy.How will they know how to respond when so many are not watching the signs of the times?
Zechariah 13:8,9
And it shall come to pass in all the land," Says the LORD, "That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it:
I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My people'; And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.' "
Maranatha
C.A.
Lori, I think Harold would be great for the Secretary of Defense and ATTY would be a great Treasury Secretary. I don't know about me being Secretary of Education as I tend to be a little too Full Gospel and might really radically change the whole WORLD'S educational system. Bringing on World War IV. We already have WW3 taking place. The One is the next Wanna Be Ruler of all things Great and Small.
But I would love to be the Ambassador to Israel, please.
LORI FOR PRESIDENT and Lisa for Developmental Sciences. If we don't have such a department, then let's get it going fast.
But I think like JIB, I am totally embarassed everytime he tries to speak without a script. I do know that he is profound in his support and defense of all the Alternate Life Style community. Must make them feel so much safer now. But the one thing I am going to enjoy watching is The One TRYING to take away the Okie muskets, bows and arrows, and hey, we even have lasers now. You can't find things very easy in this country due to the Red Man's ability to hide things. DH and I get quite a chuckle thinking about the frustration The One is going to have over that one! Wait and See!
I am glad that several of you found my friends comments worthwhile. We have been friends for many, many years and his walk with God has been a very big encouragement to my whole family. But what he sent me today was a direct answer to prayer about what I have been experiencing when I get in my prayer closet with the Lord. I keep thinking that God's word tells us that we, the body of Christ, will be without spot or blemish and I keep thinking "WOW! Lord we have a lot of remedial repair work to accomplish and I was planning on going out of here with the rest of my friends and families in Christ. Are your going to hold the sun still again so this feat will be accomplished and we are raptured.?"
But think about it; unity of faith in the Body of Christ would be so wonderful and doesn't really require much on our part. Just take his word for what it says and have the faith like Abraham had when he was 90 years old, telling everyone that asked what his name was. He would tell them "Abraham" which means I am the Father of Many Nations. He didn't have one off spring, and yet he had faith that God would keep his promise to make him the father of many, many people. How about Noah and the ark. Faith again. How about Jacob taking on the name of Israel. But the one that really stands out in the crowd to me was Joshuah and Caleb. Now that is my kind of faith. They had to walk around in circles just like all of the unbelievers and yet they took God at his word and believed that they could overcome the giants of the Promised Land. Without faith it is impossible to please God and it isn't faith in our selves. It is faith in God and His Word. If someone gets off in a crack believing something that isn't according to God's word, well, just pray for them and leave them alone. It is up to God to correct them anyway. We are not the Holy Spirit and unless we are directed to bring correction, best leave it alone.
Harold, I am so very sorry that you have had all of those experiences that you related here. I don't blame you for being disgusted and angry. I would be too if I had heard that same message. But truthfully, I have never heard it. Bears looking into.
Love to all of you and hope this week is a testimony of God's grace to each and everyone of you.
Grany
I MISS GRUMPY TOO! He always will be special to me and I still pray for him daily.
Jib;
Concerning the A.C and how people could accept him. It is my understanding that he will be a master deceiver and it will not only be a question of if people believe in evil or satan. It might be more of an "angel of light" thing.
Rev 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 13:11
Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12
He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Rev 13:13
And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.
Rev 13:14
Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
These passages say that all who dwell on the earth and who's names are not written in the Lamb's book will worship the beast. It also says that the second beast (false prophet) will deceive the inhabitants of the earth by means of the power and signs he was given to perform. So I also think the deception has much to do with deceiving signs and wonders.
Maranatha!
When and where did Harold comment? I can't find it.
Mr. Hyde, did you delete the comment?
I checked back on the previous post and I couldn't find it there either.
I think the assumption is that one of the anonymouses is Harold.
Grany
for what it's worth my family has also had run ins if you will due to my grandparents being very big and faithful adherents of the Copland ministries. It is one of the biggest reason that even talking about the gift of tongues in my parents household is taboo. my uncle wants nothing to do with church and religion anymore and therefore Christ because of his mother
GT
yes I realize that the AC will be the master deceiver but since there have been a plethora of books, tv shows etc about the fact that he will exist, how to tell who he is, what he is really all about and what the ultimate agenda is people are STILL going to fall prey to the deception that he is a man of peace despite the fact that they have been forewarned to the contrary. It is also my understanding that the signs and wonders of the false prophet don't really come into play until the latter part of the tribulation.
ps it would be a GOOD thing as martha says if ATTY and Harold came back. I have no reason to not want them to come back
No, I didn't delete any comment. Lori had asked if it was Harold who commented earlier and I chimed in as well.
Yeah,
I feel like I'm being punished.
Won't you forgive us Harold & ATTY?
I had only asked about Harold because he liked to refer to himself as a Berean.
I miss him, Boatman (still lurking:), Atty and Grumpy.
But I am grateful to you all. I know we sometimes differ in opinions, but hey, it keeps things interesting. Don't you agree?
Wilma, perhaps you can put together my entire cabinet.
I'd like your personal escort on my trips to the Holy Land.
BTW, no "Hail to the chief" for me. I'm thinking about Lori, Lori, sung to Louie, Louie. he he he
Shalom, all. All day, I've been reading and thinking about what might be coming in the next few months. While I was looking up something for my daughter, I ran across a song from the early 80's that I used to love. I often wondered how the events in the song could come about. Now, it just seems more prescient than anything:
Talking Heads - Life During Wartime
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JIB, and everyone else that is interested: THE RETURN OF THE KING with Dr. David Jeremiah
I am watching it now and the visuals are great! The whole Sunday service is available to watch. In fact his website is really wonderful.
I didn't take notes on the bible passages but I will when it comes up.
I goofed on my remarks to LORI just a few comments back. I must have Harold on my mind greatly because I assumed he was the one who now calls his self The Berean. Well, it is possible isn't it.
Grany
are any of you having probs with connecting to WND? perhaps a denial-of-service attack?
C.A. Thanks!
My mind was going crazy trying to think of it because I just read it.
I forgot I woke up at 4:00 am because of Melanie getting into bed and pushing me to the edge-then D.H. was getting ready for work. I said forget it & went into the Living Room to read the Bible & Zachariah was one of them.
Whew-I thought I lost it! (I am not an early bird.)
Today I received some long awaited news.
I've been Home schooling the eldest because me moved mid-stream & there was no room in the inn @ the Christian School we want her to attend. Her grade is the most packed of them all for some reason.
Well, she doesn't like Home schooling-is boring & her droopy attitude is nerve wringing. So I've been waiting w/baited breath to see if she was finally accepted into this Christian school next fall. I Can't WAIT!! (is an understatement.) This girl is so sensitive & extremely social.
We had the family interview in Jan. then she tested & have been waiting for the results ever since.
There has been much prayer & I tried to wait patiently but a couple weeks ago I called to check in & they said- "We'll have our bored meeting soon (what's soon?) & make the final decision." (So then my mind is thinking about "a panel of judges" type thing.)
Well, today when the letter came in the mail you would have thought I was opening results to see if I was accepted into a college or drafted for the war. And as you have guessed it was the "Congratulations and Welcome" letter.
Praise the Lord for His goodness!!
Whew! Whew! Whew! (But-if the Lord comes for His bride before the fall year begins-Better Yet!)
Jib;
I don't wish anyone to take this the wrong way but I don't, at the moment, have a better analogy.
My understanding is the AC will be very charasmatic and no one will know at first who he is. He will be like "O" in that many knew "O's" backround and socialist leanings and still voted for him! He comes in like an "angel of light" and reveals himself when it is too late to do anything about it. So all the warnings before hand are for not, people will not associate evil with the AC. The only ones not deceived as per Rev. 13:8 belong to the Lamb.
As far as the false prophet, he is introduced in the same chapter that the first beast, the AC is introduced. He comes on the scene at the same time or shortly after the AC. If being mentioned near or at the same time in Revelation is time continuous.
Maranatha!
LW, I couldn't access their web site earlier but I haven't tried in the last hour or so. This happened to me last week several times and I wonder if it wasn't an excess amount of people trying to get on.
Wayne, you brought up a point regarding Benny Hinn and I have really noticed a change in his focus. I haven't watched him for a long time but the elderly lady that I visit regularly loves watching him and always when I am there. I know one thing, even though she is in the last stages of her fight with cancer, his programs always seem to lift her Spirit and encourages her to keep on fighting. She has already lived way past the 6 month Hospice thought she had left. Kinda like the saying about one person's junk is another persons treasures.
Grany
Wayne, yes, I haven't been able to connect to WND for a few hours. At first I was getting socket errors with too many files open. Generally that means that there's some problem with the web server. Now I'm getting connection timeout. It COULD be a denial of service, but it could just as likely be that their server went from having hiccups to having a full upset tummy.
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I'm glad for the clarification re Harold. I thought I missed something because I didn't see a comment from him.
I miss him & Grumpy/Atty, terribly.
Like I've said before - I will eternally be grateful to Grumpy, it's quite possible I wouldn't be saved without his wittiness keeping me coming back for more at Joel's.
Wayne - I liked your post at your blog about the music! I think you are spot on.
Lori! What? Me the uber political big mouth gets no cabinet appointment in your administration???
Me sad
;-)
Shalom, all! Quick question: Can anyone tell me anything about an evangelical pastor named Rob Schenck? I've done the usual google and wiki things and I'm looking more for anything anyone has heard about him: preaching, seminars, etc.
Thanks!
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Jim C.
I think the main website for Rob is:
http://www.faithandaction.org/
He has blogs and a youtube site for videos.
I would call him more liberal than evangelical. And I've heard lots of people say that he is a Jewish Believer, but I don't know that for sure.
Jim C.
I don't think Rob Schenck is actually pastoring a church, at least not in the past several years. He seems to be headquartered in Washington, D.C. He is an activist.
I get emails from him all the time connected with his activism efforts. He is a member of the Prayer Breakfast and I think he also works with the Christian Coalition.
I can't believe you didn't find him with a Google search. He has several websites for different causes and blog sites, etc.
Grumpy,
Come on back! You're missed by all!
END TIME, was that you instead of Harold?
Now let's see if I can at least catch up with Lori's links from yesterday. I get so interested in the link that I start chasing rabbit trails all over the place. So, if I go to World Net Daily, I end up reading the whole blooming thing instead of the one article. Now compound that with all of the links Lori post and you know where I am; Lala Land for news geeks.
LORI, I would be honored to escort you to Israel if I can. But I tend to chase rabbit trails there to. We were in the Church of the Holy Seplacur and there were several levels in the building. We saw this parade of individuals traversing one particular area and it was a constant stream of people coming and going. The ones going into an area that looked much like a long hallway, never returned and the ones coming out looked as though they were on a designated mission of sorts. All types and all classes without any type of formal uniform to ID them. We coaxed our guide to take us a little ways into the mysterious hall to see what was going on but as in all guided tours, timing was of the utmost importance and we had to end our quest for the day.
Not to be deterred, we took one of our free days and hired a very good guide (David)who claimed to be a Christian but didn't pass the test. He was an excellent and very knowledgeable guide however. Our quest? The mysterious hallway at the Church of the Holy Seplacur. It was so well worth it and one of the many special places I would love to return and explore further.
But one thing I do want to remind you of My dear Lori, before this charge for the Office of President, break dancing is out! That is unless you can get Keith Olberman to join in with gusto. I will even do the video of the whole thing free of charge. I have all of the equipment (digital of course) and all we will have to acquire is a toaster for reproducing the recording.
Now back to my links before Lori posts any new ones. In fact, I am putting a permanent copy of this whole page on my Zotero application that Firefox offers. I like it better than the email thing that always gets corrupted by a weakness that Google has never fixed.
See you all later and
SHALOM EVERYONE
Grany
Anony1 and Anony2, there is no Wikipedia page for Robert (Rob) Schenck. There IS one for his twin brother, Paul Schenck (aka Paul Chaim Benedicta Schenck), and Rob is mentioned several times in Paul's Wiki page. Apparently they were raised as Reformed Jews who converted to Christianity, and became active in the pro-life movement. Paul is now the Executive Vice President of the American Center for Law & Justice; while Rob (the one I'm interested in) heads up "Faith & Action", a Christian outreach program focusing on the movers and shakers in Washington, DC.
Rob appears to be one of those people who fly just below the radar yet seem to get invited to the most interesting functions. "Rightwingwatch.org" has written about him a couple of times, once when NPR tapped him to provide commentary during both the Republican and Democratic conventions (HUH?!) and hosting a round table with senior advisors from both the Obama and McCain campaigns. (They were upset because Obama wasn't being selective in which evangelicals he was reaching out to. Right Wing Watch doesn't like Rob, which is a plus in my book.)
On January 5, 2006, the Wall Street Journal reported that Robert and two other Christian ministers claimed to have entered during off-hours the hearing rooms for the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Samuel Alito and applied holy oil to the chairs. (Good work, Rob.) Also, on June 27, 2005, Robert walked out on Billy Graham during the second night of his Queens, New York crusade on Saturday, after Graham yielded the stage to Bill Clinton and suggested his wife Hillary should be president. (Big Gold Star, Rob!)
I'm interested because over the 4th of July weekend and the week after, there's going to be a week-long institute in Washington, DC titled, "The Mercy of God and the Future of America: Toward a New Christian Alliance of Catholics and Evangelicals". To quote from the press release,
The Institute will bring together leading Catholic and Evangelical clergy, scholars, advocates, writers and journalists to prayerfully explore how the two Christian communities can find more effective common cause on solutions to the moral, social and political decline of our nation.
The event sounds interesting to me, and I wanted to check out his bona fides before exploring any more about it.
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Here is the CHURCH OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE and it is full of wonderful mosiac tiles, lamps that still burn, all types of religious artifacts, rituals and even the purported place that Jesus was buried. However, the favorite is still THE GARDEN TOMB
and there is a lot of logic to it being the real tomb of Jesus including THE NAME GOLGOTHA
which is pretty hard to not be impressed with. In all of the times I have visited Israel, the Garden Tomb is the place I truly believe held the physical body of Jesus after his death on the cross. We have had communion services there on many occasions and believe me, God's profound and beautiful Presence was in full attendance each time. Even with a huge group of Liberal Methodist high elected officials and leaders. A lot of lives were changed on several occasions.
Grany
JIM C.
I had to delete that link comment. I will trust you to just Google his name and walla, you will get the same thing.
Grany
For what it is worth, I highly advise all of us to be really prayerful and atune to the Holy Spirit's cautioning us on assuming there is no danger in giving out our account information on the web. We USED TO live in a safe environment and could share with each other, but I think it is time to be "wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove" from this point on. Let's not get paranoid but be wise and attentive.
Grany
My bad, Alesia, I forgot to tell you.. You're speaker of the House!
Y'all can suggest a position, I'll make the final decision with some help from the cave.
Wilma, chasing rabbit trails? We'll have so much fun! In 1981 I left a tour group when I was in the Capital building and ended up opening a set of large wooden double doors only to wind up face to face with Tip O'Neil. I must have looked scared when I said, "I'm sorry." He paused and then replied, "It's okay, it's your place too."
Why don't our gov't officials have that attitude anymore?
(I snuck off because I found the tour boring and my step dad dared me too... Hey, I was 21 and gutsy)
Wilma, Maybe I could get Perry to take us around?
JIM CARROLL
Shalom friend! You asked for ROB SCHENCK and here he is. Here is VIDEO Rob made 3/16/09
Hope you find what you are looking for.
Grany
Great timing re: David Jeremiah!
I've been listening to his teachings at oneplace.com the last few day.
He's been one of my favorite teachers for a long time!
Great stuff!
These teaching are on Daniel!
LORI,
I would go for Perry in a blink! Be forewarned though, he chases rabbits too. LOL @;o)}(double chin). But when we get through, it will be wonderful and glorious. We could take Jim Carroll with us and he could enhance all of the special sites with his bottomless knowledge of the Catholic history and purposes. Almost every site there that is considered very sacred is under the protection and authority of the RCC. Yeah, there are several religious organizations who share some of the sites but for the most part it is the RCC. They even sell the Holy Oil in the CHS to help meet expenses in the care and maintenance of the historical sites.
My special thing that always happens when I go to Israel is kind mind bogging to me. Invariably I encounter an elderly woman that makes the little Honey Cakes around the Western Wall or as some would know it, The Wailing Wall. Most generally there are a couple of younger women and everytime, the older women asks me "Are you a Jesus person?" The first time it happened I didn't know what she meant and was pretty startled by her question. My Jewish guide the first time was "Shep" and he encouraged me to respond. I told her "Yes, I am a Jesus Person" and very slowly, she comes over to where I am and takes my hand, places it on her head, bows her head, and asked me to pray for her understanding.
Shep was startled and nodded "yes" so I did as she asked me to do. Then she would look at me, smile, thank me and go back to work.
I questioned Shep about it all and he said She was born in a very rich Jewish family, became a Believer in Jesus and her family had declared her dead, put her outside the family and never let anyone talk of her again, and considered her dead. She makes her living by selling the little cakes and the women working with her are in the same boat as she is. The price of Accepting Jesus as their Personal Savior. The last time I was there I didn't see her but the younger women were still there. They don't talk but you can see the glimmer of hope and love in their eyes and they remember the little old lady very well.
Would any of you take up selling Honey Cakes on the streets where you live just in order to live because you believed in a Forbidden Savior? Her story has had a profound affect on my life and everytime I see the cruelness and bigotry of the religious people, I think of her. The very last time I had an opportunity to share with her, I felt the Holy Spirit urging me to tell her that God's Love of her was greater than anything we could ever imagine and that He Loved Her Greatly! She only smiles, nodded her head yes and bowed her head walking away. I still can't keep the tears back over that last encounter. I have dreamed of her in days past but the dream always ends with me being the old woman.
Grany
Lori - that's what I'm talking about!!!! The thought of ousting Pelosi just makes me giddy - thanks
Jim C (and all)-
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JIM Carroll, I owe an apology to the RCC. I didn't purchase the oil from a RCC priest but instead it was the Greek Orthodox side of the CHS site. I am so sorry. We were quite taken by the whole hierarchy of the CHS because it is a shared and jealously so, command of the premises. Like I said, that was one site that I truly would love to investigate further.
Grany
"JESUS, I hand it to YOU
A little hand raised high in the air,
wondering if anyone cares?
As she reaches for the hand of God,
as pro-lifers we need to applaud.
It is way beyond time for the truth to be told,
Like JESUS in the temple, we need to be bold.
Sold out for life is our call,
not one more child, Lord, let fall.
Hands raised across our nation,
standing firm for abortion cessation.
Grany, not to worry. Places where they sell things like holy oil use a legal fiction to get around the sin of simony. Either you buy the bottle of oil or water or salt which is then blessed; or the oil/water/salt is free and you're just buying the container. Or, you're not buying, you're making a donation. Perry Stone does that with his materials. You're not buying it, it's available for a "minimum donation" of X dollars.
I agree the situation with all the different churches maintaining some of these sites would not be so bad if they weren't so jealous of their positions. I understand in one of the churches that's maintained by the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, and Armenian Orthodox churches, someone left a broom in an upper windowsill by mistake. This was done over 150 years ago, and no one can go get the broom: the ladder is owned by one church but the spot where they'd have to put the ladder is controlled by another church. Personally, I find it shameful.
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A friend sent me this link on the Coming of Isa the Messiah.
It just sums up the Muslim Anti-Christ theory pretty well but I like the chart comparing the Christian Anti-Christ w/the Muslim Jesus Isa in Islam.
LORI, see I told you that Jim C. would know the Rest of the Story and he just went and did it again.
I saw the ladder but for the life of me, I couldn't understand what was going on. In fact, it is an object of ridicule in Jerusalem over the quibbling between groups who all claim to be Christian. Who gives a hoot about the owner ship of the corner, the broom or the silly ladder. What does it have to do with Jesus Christ?
I kinda feel that way about a lot of things relating to the word of God. Like: pretrib, posttrib, no trib; pantrib; pretrist, millennialist, kingdom now,- no then,and the beat goes on. Sometimes I wonder if we are all still reading the same bible or has Satan come in and whacked everyone's brain a good one.
What the World needs now is Love, Sweet Love;It's the only thing that there's just too little of. 1965. Those were very turbulent years and we thought it was bad then too. It was pretty awful. Seemed like it was always easier to hate and destroy than to love and build up. The more things go around the more they stay the same.
Here's looking at you
Grany
If anyone has a little prayer list (I guess how can it be little in our days?) would add my friend "Steve" to it? He just called me today.
Steve used to be a Missionary in Costa Rica in his younger years. He married & had a family. That situation didn't work out and somewhere along his journey in life he became side tracked.
I was encouraging him to seek the Lord again before we went to TN & today we had a chat & he mentioned that there was a Church nearby he went to a few times.
That did sound encouraging until I found out he only went because there was a girl there he liked.
I pressed him a little & said: "Steve, why are you still backslid?-I can't believe you used to be a Missionary. I follow prophecy & it won't be long now for Jesus to return.
We talked a little about the Economy & the one world economic system-which he said "Yeah, they’ve been saying that since the 1970's & 1980's." "I don't believe it's ever going to happen." So I gave a little more info on how it's sped up right now & it's in the news now on a global scale.
"I have my own theory on this." So I replied "Your mean you're not going to tell me that you don't believe in Christ anymore?"
His answer: "I've already been saved so I don't need to worry about it." “You can't loose your salvation."
I told him my view- but that someday we are both going to find out.
Whether you think that OSAS is right or wrong-all I can tell you from my observations is that many people I've met who embrace it have no fear of God-live w/people or have casual sex-and no longer have God first in their lives.
What is the difference of just going through the motions of "religiosity" like the Pharisees & Sadducees or being distracted by the world & doing nothing to honor YHWH? The point is from what the Bible describes is that their hearts don't love God w/all their mind, soul, & strength. They are following their own wills which are not surrendered unto Christ.
Is that considered "born again?"
I mailed him an Epicenter conference flyer & we ended on good terms.
HERE is a video of a Jewish man in agreement w/the Vatican that there is no theological problem to believe that "other life forms" exist in the universe.
OK you have the:
RCC-wanting some form of control over the Temple Mount.
Jews-plan to rebuild the 3rd Temple on the Mount.
The Anti-Christ proclaiming he's God on the Temple Mount.
Islam-wanting everyone off the Temple Mount except themselves.
Hummm-interesting combination potentials. Anyone else associated w/the Temple Mount?
We had a shaker here (SO CAL) but I didn't feel anything.
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Tuesday, March 24, 2009 at 04:55:43 AM at epicenter
Lisa,
You know my friend Kristen who has commented at my blog? She is teaching through Romans right now. Her lessons are podcasted at her church's website. This morning I listened to her teach Romans 8:29-39 on the podcast. She addresses OSAS and eternal security. The lesson is 90 minutes but I would like to encourage you to listen...
Jim G, you might be interested in it too!!!
Here's the link...
...it's her ladies Bible study...she is not teaching from the pulpit...
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I've got a few questions I'd like to throw out to all.
In Matthew 24:15-16 Jesus said:
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
Daniel 9:27 says:
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
Question 1: Is it possible that the AC will set up "on a wing of the temple" some sort of military weapon that causes desolation?
Question 2: Jesus says that the abomination that causes desolation will be "standing" in the holy place. That makes me think it is a person standing. Maybe the false prophet or the AC himself setting up a place of worship for himself? Or perhaps a graven image of the AC?
Question 3: In light of the completed work of Christ on the cross, why is it implied that putting an end to sacrafice is bad? And a related question, why is the temple considered a holy place if it is after Christ's death and resurrection? Consider the following NT Scriptures:
God’s temple in the NT
1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17
If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
1 Corinthians 8:10
For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols?
1 Corinthians 9:13
But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar?
2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
Ephesians 2:21
In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 2:4
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Revelation 7:15
And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
Revelation 11:1
[ The Two Witnesses ] I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, "Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there.
Revelation 11:19
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.
Revelation 14:15
Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
Revelation 14:17
Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle.
Revelation 15:5
After this I looked and in heaven the temple, that is, the tabernacle of the Testimony, was opened.
Revelation 15:6
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests.
Revelation 15:8
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.
Revelation 16:1
[ The Seven Bowls of God's Wrath ] Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go, pour out the seven bowls of God's wrath on the earth."
Revelation 16:17
The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
Why do there seem to be several meanings of the word temple in the NT? In some cases, the Jewish temple. In other cases, the Church as a whole or the bodies of individual persons in Christ.
Daniel 11:30-32
30 Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.
31 "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Jim G, I feel like I'm back at school and just given homework to do.
Mr. Hyde,
Maybe you can help me figure out the references to the holy covenant.
We're under a new covenant but it sounds like a reference to the old covenant. Both were holy of course. Is this a reference to the holy covenant as practiced by those who haven't yet recognized that Christ it the Messiah?
But in the last days, Jews will realize he is Lord, correct???
These are just honest questions. I don't have answers. I was hoping you and others here could help;-)
Shalom, all! I just ran across a text file I have titled, "Religious Persecution US.txt" It's got a number of quotes and stuff that I've collected here and there about what to do during a persecution in the US. I thought I'd share some of them with you:
Preparing for a Persecution: Steps to Take
(ideas in part from the book Storm Warning):
1. Realize that persecution is normal; many believers throughout most of Christian history have experienced it (including millions around the world today). If they can persevere with God’s help, so can we. Our attitude should be one of trust and acceptance, not guilt or fear.
2. Keep a proper perspective. Christians are persecuted not because we’re losing, but because we’re winning. The gates of hell will not prevail against the Church (Mt. 16:18); Satan’s fury reflects the truth that his time is limited and his kingdom is crumbling.
3. Remember that persecution may come not only from the Church’s enemies, but also from fellow Christians who betray others out of fear or weakness (cf. Mk. 13:12, 1 Jn. 2:19). We must as shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves (Mt. 10:16), trusting others only after careful prayer and discernment. We must also resolve any quarrels with fellow believers.
4. Refuse to give into fear. If we suffer for our faith, the Holy Spirit will take away our anxiety and give us the words to say at the proper moment (Mk. 13:11).
5. Maintain links with other believers. “If the believer, because of fear, cuts himself off from all contact with other Christians, Satan will have won. A Christian cannot survive victoriously for long if he is spiritually cut off from fellow-ship, worship and teaching” – Brother Andrew of Open Doors Ministry.
6. Pray—for all who are persecuted, for our fellow believers, for those who persecute us and those who betray us. We must also pray for strength, courage, and discernment.
7. Remember that God loves us, is with us always, knows our limits better than we do, and will give us all the resources we need to remain firm in our faith and to emerge victorious from our trials.
I'll take a look tomorrow, Jim G. By then our intrepid friends will have supplied many answers. My brain's a bit fried right now (and I'm feeling lazy). I can tell you that there's a Temple in heaven and that there's the original Arc there because I've recently heard Chuck Missler state that. I'll have to check the verses.
Yesterday, I read a piece written by Doug Berner in answer to those who claim that the AC is Gog and that Gog-Magog culminates at Armageddon. He stated that the Jews (after being delivered of Gog-Magog) will first return to worshiping the "OT God" -set up the Temple sacrifice etc - and then recognize their true Messiah - 2 phases.
Jim G.
Did you check out all the words for "temple" in their original language?
Is the meaning all the same or would some be grouped in meaning w/others?
Also, Revelation 7:15
And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes...
I read that in the original text it says "come out of great tribulation" which doesn't specifically point to the last 3.5 years of "THE Great Tribulation."
It's just "great tribulation".
(**I didn't verify that-it's just what a pastor said.)
Doug Berner:
God is going to use Gog’s invasion of Israel to make known His holy name to Israel and the nations of the world. Is that the name of Jesus (Yeshua) or God’s eternal name of YHVH? It is His eternal name. Israel is a predominantly secular nation in denial of the Old Testament God of Israel, in addition to being in denial and rebellion to Jesus Christ. While God calls individuals to Christ, from both Jews and Gentiles, to become a “One New Man” in the body of Christ, He deals with the nation of Israel as an entirely different corporate body.
How can Israel jump into an immediate acceptance of Jesus Christ as God when they are, as a nation, in active denial of God Himself? They cannot. And that is why God has prophetically planned out the Day of the Lord. It is the period of time that God will use to refine Israel and bring it to salvation as a nation. The nation of Israel, as a body of people, must be returned to the God of their fathers before they will be made ready to make the transition to a full recognition and acceptance of Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. That is what God is telling Israel. God uses Gog’s invasion as the mechanism for revealing Himself to Israel and reawakening them spiritually to Him as YHVH.
Jim G.
I just thought of who to ask on the "temple" question. Lori's relative: Bob Morley.
He is a type/shadow expert.
http://bobmorleybook.com/myblog/
Abomination of Desolation Randall Price
Lisa, Shalom! My bible (NAB) translates that as "...who have survived the time of great distress..." says this refers to the martyrs during the Roman persecution; another translation I've read indicates this refers to ALL those who have been martyred for Christ.
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Jim G.
Your questions about the Temple intrigues me.
Have you read the entire Bible completely through?
I haven't had the impression that you are a fairly new Christian.
Do you have a good Men's Bible Study program at your Church? I seem to recall that you are attending a Four Square Church.
Instead of everybody jumping in and making an attempt to answer all those questions, it might be better for you to do a search using Blue Letter Bible or another Bible search engine and look at all the Bible references to Tabernacle, and Temple throughout the entire Bible.
You know that you will look them all up after everybody gives their input anyway. Right?
I do not believe that you do not understand why the bodies of individual members of the Body of Christ, are called the Temples of God and the entire Body, collectively is referred to as the Temple of God.
Happy Studying.
Have you started teaching your little boy (he is such a doll) the Word of God?
Little children are so open to God and His love, they soak Him up like a little sponge. And they have no trouble exercising their faith.
A Berean
Maranatha!
Jim C.
The pastor who pointed that out also pointed out Rev 9.
"When He openend the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God & for the testimony which they held."
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
"Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."
(So at this point they did not have white robes & are waiting for God's number of Martyrs to come up. We know from Scripture that God is definately interested in numbers. So could it be in His set of laws for pouring out wrath that the lives of so many righteous are set as a marker-then he let's the unrighteous have it? This is the way of just judgment?)
Then in Rev 7:9 "After these things I looked, and behold a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, trubes, and tongues, standing before the Lamb, clothed with white robes...:
W/Perry Stones teaching you have 3 Harvests of Saints: the Barley-reaped by tossing it up into the air. (wind-Holy Spirit-pre-Trib)then Wheat. (-takes pressure-rolled over-mid-Trib-Pre Wrath) then Grapes (takes crushing-end of Trib.)
In the Trumpet Judgments the first three trumpets are Ecological disasters (So much for worring about Global Warming) then the next three may be literally demonic entities coming out from the pit of Hell. (In the 6th Trumpet 1/3 of the earth's population will be killed & it says the rest of mankind who were not killed did not repent.)At this point in the Tribulation 1/2 of the world's population is dead.
**Not that we have yet had anyone completely figure out Revelation but to me the confusion lies in the "timing" & if/how some events overlap.
In Perry Stone's mind the 3rd & Final Reaping of the earth's harvest is in Rev 14:14-16. I remember when I was looking @ that a couple years ago I also thought it looked like it could be a harvest-then I just got more confused & put it on the back burner.
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There are only three (3) places in the Bible that mentions "great tribulaton."
And as you can see in Jesus' own words he says that "such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no nor ever shall be."
Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Rev 2:22 Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
A Berean
Maranatha!
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Maranatha,
Leanna
Bearen,
Good point-looking @ all the "great" words as well. Which then sidetracked me to the OT. (Nothing unusual.)
THE GREAT TRIBULATION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
Jam 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
Interesting post of James 1:5
Last night @ 2:00 am I woke up from an opressive dream & wasn't sure if it was my mind on steriods or an evil presense. Anyway-the Blood of Jesus was pleaded & I got up & read Proverbs 1:20-33 & Chapter 2 on Wisdom. (Chapter 1: 20-33 sounds like the time we're in right now.)
The Value of Wisdom:
1-9
My son, if you receive my words, And treasure my commands within you, So that you incline your ear to wisdom, And apply your heart to understanding; Yes, if you cry out for discernment, And lift up your voice for understanding, If you seek her as silver, And search for her as hidden treasurs; Then you will understand the fear of the LORD, And find knowledge of God.
For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding; He stores up wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk uprightly; He guards the paths of justice, And preserves the way of His saints. Then you will understand righteousness & justice, Equity and every good path.
21,22
For the upright will dwell in the land, And the blameless will remain in it; But the wicked will be cut off from the earth, and the unfaithful will be uprooted from it.
Definations:
Discernment:
the quality of being able to grasp and comprehend what is obscure.
Wisdom:
the ability to use one's experience and knowledge to make sensible decisions or judgments.The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.
Knowledge:The state or fact of knowing.2. Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.3. The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned.
Understanding: Characterized by or having comprehension, good sense, or discernment.
Don't ask me why I was going through Revelation w/a concentration on the Winepress-because I'm wondering what the point of it is myself. It's a beautiful day outside & as I was driving along questioning what in the world I'm doing-the small still voice said "Because I'm going to show you something."
OK-???)
Sixth angel-pours out his bowl & dries up the River Euphrates so the way of the Kings of the East might be prepared & they are gathered to the place of Armageddon.
Rev 16:13
“And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are spirits & demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world to gather them to the battle of the great day of God Almighty.”
Rev 17:12
“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb…. (these 10 kings-sub rulers under the Anti-Christ also destroy the Harlot-false religious system. )
Rev 19:15
“From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.”
Rev 19:17
“……Come & gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may eat the flesh of the kings, the flesh of the captains, the flesh of the mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small & great.” And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.”
Rev 14: 19
“So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth & gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horse’s bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs. (184 miles-4’-5’ high.)
And.......
do we have a mouse in the house?
Alesia, I don't know about the mice but seems there might be a couple of bashful commentors.
I have been reading a bunch of stuff on the internet regarding the "the great tribulation" and there is a mountain of theory/arguments floating around out there. So many experts and so many scholars! My goodness, if you put all of the ideas in one area, it would take a Smithsonian to house it all. One group calling another group liars, fights going on and this or that one is sure that God gave them a direct word on what it means and everyone else is false. For crying out loud, it isn't about who is the greatest theologian. It is about God's word! Period.
JIM G. Pandora is going to have to get a new hat box, me thinks.
Grany
Jim G;
It is my understanding that the references to the covenent and the temple during Daniels' 70th week are one of the reasons that dispensationalists believe that the 70th week (or tribulation or time of Jacobs' trouble) is a different dispensation as opposed to the dispensation of grace we are in now.
God begins to deal with His people the Jews again as He did before Jesus came the first time. It is as if He is going back to resume the dispensation of the law to bring the Jews foreward to faith in His Son and into the dispensation of grace (my analogy).
I think as the dispensationalist answers the question of the references to the temple and covenent in this way. It seems a logical conclusion to a puzzling problem.
You might look into a study of dispensationalism to tie the whole old covenent-new covenent and temple references together. Hope this helps some.
Maranatha!
Grany,
I haven't read all the stuff that you have,... but it sounds pretty entertaining :) It is amazing just how some Christians get "into it," over things that the Bible isn't totally clear on, isn't it?
It makes me think that just maybe, we're suppose to be focused on getting the Harvest in? As a good friend of mine always says; "ya think?" (smile)
I've always saw Bible prophecy as well worth studying, but not to the point of knock down, drag outs. What's the purpose? Anyhow, I believe God is master of throwing the "curve ball :)"
Batter up, anyone? (smile)
Grany;
I didn't know that there were arguments about "the great tribulation". I thought that most agree that the first 3.5 yrs until the A of D that Jesus referred to was tribulation. Then the last 3.5 yrs was "the great tribulation" because Jesus said it would be "great" such as not since the beginning nor ever shall be.
I know that there are those that question the "time, times, and half a time" statement. Some think tis is 2.5 yrs.
Maranatha!
Lisa;
If I may ask, what were you shown? You left us hanging, I think??
Maranatha!
GT, I've gone out and bought Ryrie's Despensationalism this morning. I agree with what you said about the great tribulation. Jesus was describing the time of Jacob’s trouble from the moment of the AoD on but that doesn’t mean that the first 3.5 years aren’t tribulation. The real issues & differences, of course, are when God’s wrath occurs and whether the church will be spared.
Grany, I've been foraging thru Frucht's "Footsteps" again. Last night I began reading his take on the Olivet Discourse and the night before I was reading about the occurrences preceding the 7 year trib. I must say he does make some really interesting points about WW1 and WW2. I highly recommend that book.
I just think that everyone is trying to figure out "just what is Jim G. questioning," and have perhaps given answers to questions he hasn't asked. I don't know. I just know I am confused as to what he is confused about and how those questions go together.
Then someone added that there is a whole lot of debate (a whole mountain's worth) and everybody thinking they are the expert. etc. I paraphrased that as I didn't want to repeat the whole thing.
So, Jim G. if you're still out there and still want some input, maybe you could be a little more specific as to just what you are confused about.
A Berean
Jim G, I considered your questions and sent them to Uncle Bob, per Lisa's suggestion.
Here is his reponse:
I personally feel that the abomination that causes desolation will probably be a statue of the antichrist, not a weapon of any kind.
As to the temple being a holy place, even though our bodies are currently "temples," the physical temple will continue to be holy during the tribulation, as well as in the Millennial Kingdom as described in the latter chapters of Ezekiel 40-44, and on beyond that in heaven, since we know that the earthly temples are only a picture of the true one in heaven.
Concerning the sacrifices, no one knows for sure why they will be necessary, but we know from Ezekiel that they will be. It is normally reasoned that the sacrifices during the tribulation and on into the Millennial Kingdom may be more of a remembrance ceremony, such as communion is for us today.
In Christ's love, Bob Morley
Marge good point at 4:49. A lot of it is not totally clear....and the main thing is the harvest.
That being said, there are so many whacky interpretations out there...we do really need to be discerning, just as He has told us to be.
I'm confused with all of these annonys'...but one of them at least has made some good points about learning from some of the grea teachers and churches that are out there.
I just hope and pray that some of these great teachers will get heard by the general population.
I still think the average person does not have a clue.
If you are interested, I just posted the notes of my first sermon of the series "HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD". This one is entitled "Moses the Great, God the Magnificent"
enjoy
Wayne
have not had time to link at Lor's links so if this was already posted many apologies
A solar storm Carrington event would be 10 times worse than Katrina, would take over a year to resolve, and would take us effectively back to the 1800's AND the next possibility coincidentally enough is 2012
GT
no time to post really but Frucht has a great teaching on the 3rd and 4th temple and why the levitical sacrifices will be observed even during the Millennial reign of Christ. I don't know if it is one of his free lessons or if you must pay for it but it is quite informative and worth it. or you could just buy and wade though his book Footsteps of the Messiah-also well worth it
sorry that last part should have been addressed to Jim G not GT
Kathy,
Thanks for the link you posted March 24, 2009 7:00 PM. Haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but I definitely plan to.
also don't know if this was posted but very interesting and ties into the other article I think about the debate over whether Satan exists or not
Antichrist movie not what you'd think it is
Lisa,
I hadn't yet checked out all the words for "temple" in their original language. It was pretty late when I posted my original questions;-)
I just looked them up using Blue Letter Bible. Here's a link. Be sure to click on the LexiConc tab.
Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek words translated “temple” in KJV
Thanks for the suggestion Lisa.
Frucht has highly discounted downloads currently. I believe "Footsteps" can be purchased as a PDF too. I've skimmed through the book before but for some reason, some things he wrote just now seem to be popping out at me.
Ariel
Strong's G3485 - naos
1) used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of Holies (in classical Greek it is used of the sanctuary or cell of the temple, where the image of gold was placed which is distinguished from the whole enclosure)
2) any heathen temple or shrine
3) metaph. the spiritual temple consisting of the saints of all ages joined together by and in Christ
Strong's G2411 - hieron
1) a sacred place, temple
a) used of the temple of Artemis at Ephesus
b) used of the temple at Jerusalem
The word "temple" in the NT, with respect to the temple at Jerusalem, often referred to the entire precinct which included the sanctuary, courts, and other buildings. The temple of Jerusalem consisted of the whole of the sacred enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies, porticos, courts (that is that of the men of Israel, that of the women, and that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two parts, the "sanctuary" or "Holy Place" (which no one except the priests was allowed to enter), and the "Holy of Holies" or "the most holy place" (which was entered only on the great day of atonement by the high priest alone). Also there were the courts where Jesus or the apostles taught or encountered adversaries, and the like, "in the temple"; also the courts of the temple, of the Gentiles, out of which Jesus drove the buyers and sellers and the money changers, court of the women.
Good late evening all of you. Enjoying the posts.
I just wanted to leave you with this tonight. Last night while saying our nightly bedtime prayers I felt a strange seriousness come about me and the impression to tell my little boys this(they are 3 and 5)..."boys, I want you to listen to mommy and remember this always. (they got really quiet and wide eyed)You are children of the Most High God. Repeat that for mommy out loud. "I am a child of The Most High God" And they both repeated it and were very serious about it. I also told them that they are children of the Lord of Heaven's Armies. They both remembered it well this morning. Sweet little things that they are. What blessing the Lord has bestowed upon me!! Praise Jesus!
Goodnight all
Diana
It's cool how in the OT at least, the same Hebrew word is sometimes translated "temple" and other times "palace." He is both our God (whose presence was in the temple) and our King.
It is also interesting that it signifies where the Lord's presence is. Either in the Jewish Temple, the Church, and in our indivdual bodies. All 3 are places where the Spirit of the Lord dwells.
Oh,and of course, the heavenly Temple that the Bible talks about too.
Strong's H1964 - heykal
1) palace, temple, nave, sanctuary
a) palace
b) temple (palace of God as king)
c) hall, nave (of Ezekiel's temple)
d) temple (of heavenly temple)
Lisa,
Thanks for the suggestion regarding asking Lori's Uncle Bob.
Lori,
Thanks for forwarding my questions.
Please send my thanks and appreciation to your Uncle Bob.
The more I think about it too, the more it makes sense that the AC would set up some sort of graven image of himself in the Temple to be worshipped.
Also, it seems to me that such a thing would provoke God's wrath and that might explain how such an abomination could cause "desolation." Perhaps this is one of those Biblical passages that is fullfilled in several different ways.
This is a portion of info from Wikipedia that is interesting:
Abomination of Desolation
In rabbinical literature
The rabbis as a whole consider that the expression refers to the desecration of the Temple by the erection of a Zeus statue in its sacred precincts by Antiochus IV Epiphanes[3]. Some rabbis, however, see in it an allusion to Manasseh, who, as related in II Chron. xxxiii. 7, set up "a carved image ... in the house of God"[4]. The Haggadah narrates that two statues were erected, one of which fell over upon the other and broke off its hand. Upon the severed hand the following inscription was found engraved: "I sought to destroy God's house, but Thou didst lend Thy hand to its protection"[5].
Mr. Hyde,
Thanks for the link to the info from Randall Price! Meaty stuff.
Berean (aka Anonymous),
You asked:
Have you read the entire Bible completely through?
OK. I'm ashamed to say it but I've never read through the entire Bible if by that you mean Genesis through Revelation sequentially.
I've been a Christian since I was old enough to understand the Gospel and ask Jesus into my heart(about 7 years old).
Despite not having read through the Bible cover to cover, I'm pretty familiar with God's Word.
You asked:
Do you have a good Men's Bible Study program at your Church?
Unfortunately, that is an area that our church is a bit weak on. We have a new pastor though and he has recognized the need to strengthen our congregation in the area of discipleship (which of course would include Bible study).
Fortunately, during my high school, college, and young adult years I had some very good teaching that I received.
I've always been hungry to learn and have always enjoyed listening to Godly teachers on the radio (and occasionally TV). Probably my all time favorite is Pastor Jack Hayford.
You also wrote:
I do not believe that you do not understand why the bodies of individual members of the Body of Christ, are called the Temples of God and the entire Body, collectively is referred to as the Temple of God.
That is correct. I didn't mean to imply that I do not understand that. What I was wondering about is why, in light of the fact that we ar called the temple of the Holy Spirit in the NT, would God dwell in the new Jewish Temple that will be built in the last days? Jesus referred to it as the holy place. If God is not present there, I don't think it will be holy. And why would sacrafices be necessary and acceptable to God if Jesus was sacrificed for our sins (I'm absolutely not questioning the fact that He was the perfect sacrifice. As He said, "It is finished.")
You also asked:
Have you started teaching your little boy (he is such a doll) the Word of God?
Yes, my wife and I are definitely teaching him about the Lord. You're right, they soak it all up so easily. Children are amazing and so precious. We longed for a child for many years (trying both naturally and then through adoption to have a child). Our son is a blessing beyond words.
Thanks for the thougtful comments and encouragement. I'm sorry if my inquiry was less than clear;-)
GT,
I appreciate the thoughts on dispensationalism. I'm familiar with dispensationalism but have become less and less convinced of its validity over time.
One problem I have with it is that I don't see it taught by Jesus or Paul or any others. I realize it is simply a term of art to help us distinguish different periods or dispensations in which God deals with mankind differently. I prefer to look at how God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. We learn from doctrine in the NT that people in both the OT and NT are saved by God's grace through faith (forward looking to Christ in the OT and backward looking to Christ in the NT and now).
OK. Having said all that, GT I so appreciate all your comments. You are always full of wisdom and encouragement. So, I'm still going to ponder what you said about this.
Berean,
You wrote:
I just think that everyone is trying to figure out "just what is Jim G. questioning," and have perhaps given answers to questions he hasn't asked. I don't know. I just know I am confused as to what he is confused about and how those questions go together.
I'm fine. The answers I've heard so far seem to reflect an understanding of what I was trying to articulate. I often don't say things clearly and concisely. I'm sorry.
Then someone added that there is a whole lot of debate (a whole mountain's worth) and everybody thinking they are the expert. etc. I paraphrased that as I didn't want to repeat the whole thing.
I believe that was Grany and I think she was on a different topic (the tribulation) unrelated to my questions about the temple.
So, Jim G. if you're still out there and still want some input, maybe you could be a little more specific as to just what you are confused about.
Oh my. I'm sure I'm confused about more than I even realize. In all seriousness, my main question was "Why would the Jewish Temple that both Daniel and Jesus refer to be considered holy if Jesus essentially did away with the need for a temple and we are now the temple of God?
I still like Uncle Bob's answer!
Why would the Jewish Temple that both Daniel and Jesus refer to be considered holy if Jesus essentially did away with the need for a temple and we are now the temple of God?
Jim G, I don't have good answers, just hack ideas. Why is there a Temple in the Millennium along with sacrifices? Yet there is. Also I see the goat and sheep judgment as being very works based. Those are some reasons why I don't discount dipensationalism. I'm still trying to get my head around a lot of this stuff.
Jim G.
Aha! Now it makes sense to me what you were inquiring about.
I'll tell you straight up, you are not alone in wondering why the animal sacrifices again. A lot of good theologians wonder the same too.
I'll admit that even I, after many sessions of studying this, can't say I completely understand it, but I believe it does happen, as it so well documented in the Bible.
I searched in some of my old notes this evening, and I found notes from a 3-day seminar that I took which was taught by John C. Whitcomb on the Millennial Temple and Animal Sacrifices. it is quite lengthy, so I am not going to type it all out and post it here, (Mr. Hyde might throw snow balls at me.)
I think that a lot of our lack of understanding comes from our not being able to understand completely that the "Body of Christ" made up of Jews and Gentiles is a "unique animal" from the other elect saints. There are elect saints from Adam and Eve up to Abraham, which are different than the elect Jews, from Abraham through John the Baptist, (who are the "Wife of God," then the "Body of Christ," who will rule and reign with Christ, as co-heirs; and then we have the elect saints from the tribulation period (the 70th week of Daniel.)
And, God did have a different plan for each of them, He just did not reveal the whole plan at the beginning. But each set of saints will have received their sainthood by grace through faith. Acting on the information that God gave them.
The next time I write, I'm going to attempt to answer three questions, (1) What was the true function of animal sacrifices in the Old Covenant? (2) What are the fundamental differences between Ezekiel's picture of the New Covenant system of worship and the Old Covenant system of worship?
and (3) Would a worship system involving animal sacrifices represent a step backward for New Covenant Israel during the millennial age?
But, if you can, I would like you to read the following OT scriptures: Isaiah 2:2-3; 60:13;
19:21; 60:7; 66:21; 56:6-7; 66:19-20; Jeremiah 33:15,17-18; 31:32; 31:31-34; 32:38-40; 33:6-13; 50:5; Ezekiel 37:26,28; 40:38-43; 42:13; 43:18-27; 45:15-25; 46:2-15; 46:20-24; Joel 3:18; Micah 4:1-5; and Haggai 2:7,9.
And Jim, if you are not interested in pursuing this any further, just let me know.
Maranatha,
A Beream
As you can see, I'm not a very good typist, more a hunt and peck typist.
I meant to spell Berean not
Beream.
Maranatha!
Jim C,
I had another thought regarding your comment:
Why would the Jewish Temple that both Daniel and Jesus refer to be considered holy if Jesus essentially did away with the need for a temple and we are now the temple of God?
We have to keep in mind that this Temple that is going to be erected during the tribulation is the Jews idea. God is going to be dealing with the Jews where He left off with them after His rejection by them. Right now they (the majority) are still suffering from the blindness to the truth of Jesus, they are going to try to get right with God through Judaism. And that is not even counting the secular and zionist only Jews. But, I think their eyes will be opened for many, esp. the 144,000 Jews, after they are aware of our rapture, the PA, Syrian and Lebanese problem is solved and God makes it known to the whole world that He is still God, during the Gog/Magog war, and He is keeping His Word to His people, Israel.
I look at prophecy probably a little bit differently than some people, but I don't think God is in the background making all these things He told His prophets come to pass supernaturally. I think it is more of God looking down the corridors of time and reporting to His prophets what He sees happening in the future. And please don't interpret what I'm saying as meaning that God doesn't interact with His people, iike healing, protecting, etc. He absolutely does do that. But, when all those Arab countries decided to go to war the next day after Israel declared Statehood, they didn't do that because God prodded them to do it. He interfered alright, and that little rag tag army with almost no arms had a miracle of a victory. And many more since then. But I always remember that God does not tempt any one to sin. That doesn't mean He won't fight for Israel. He does.
So to sum up, yes there is going to be a Temple built in the tribulation, amd yes the AC is going to desecrate it, but I don't think that God will think of it as Holy.
There will be a new Holy Temple built for use in the millennium, maybe by Christ Himself.
Maranatha!
A Berean
Uncle Bob answers every single email he receives. We are currently working on a study guide and small group classes to go with his book. The focus is on the prophecies.
Uncle Bob's email is
morley120@juno.com
Berean.. very good explanation.
Hi everyone- its been a long time since I posted but I’ve kept up with all of you – the interesting discussions and prayer requests. Under normal circumstances I’m a ‘wall-flower’, but now I’m more like ‘cave moss’, in the back of the cave- listening and absorbing-.
Jim C- you have always reminded me of my brother, the way you express yourself, but having seen the video of you, well you look and sound exactly like my brother as well!
Lori- I purchased ‘Uncle’ Bob’s book and it is fascinating! I would recommend it to all. A great gift- I’ll be giving several this year, appropriately wrapped in a shower towel!
Someone asked about a publisher for their daughter’s book. I don’t have the current info but Wheaton College, Illinois has a writer’s conference every spring. Most of the Christian publishing houses are there to talk to writers, look at manuscripts, and assist in helping to educate on how to get things published.
A friend has purchased 30 acres in N.M. to create a ministry and a safe haven for Believers in the coming years. Please pray for this ministry. Her name is Bella.
(O.K. I’m going to the back of the cave with the cave moss!)
Jamie
I must have missed something along the way. Can someone please tell me who Uncle Bob is and what his book is????
Thanks
Diana
Diana,
Uncle Bob is my uncle. His name is Bob Morley. He was a devout athiest for years. He could argue with the rest of them. My hubby and I always said, "When Uncle Bob gets saved, he's going to do some major damage."
He wrote his first book about his journey, it was widely distributed on the internet and via USPS for free, called From Pain to Paradise.
This second book was birthed out of a highly publicized debate that was supposed to take place between Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort and two well known athiests. Ray and Kirk didn't present any evidence, they merely told them to receive it by faith.
Uncle Bob is a genius. He knows how to research. He spent over 13,000 hours compiling the "evidence" for Unlocking God's Secrets, the book being discussed.
He is already working on a second book. But the testimonies of many athiests coming to Christ are amazing. Even everyday lukewarm pew warmers are being transformed due to God's evidence that He (God) carefully placed in His word being revealed.
The book sold out on Amazon the first day. It is also being reprinted as we speak because demand is so high.
Publishers recently came to him to buy back any extra copies so they could fill orders.
Uncle Bob is not living high off of these sales. I'm pretty sure he gives as many away for free as are being sold.
Read the following testimony that came in yesterday:
Thanks for the book. I think you gave it to me yourself at the palace billiards in Greenville, SC. I did not get to see who handed it to me. Some one just said here is a book I wrote it and walked off. I did not get to see your face. I saw your picture on the back of the book with your granddaughter once again you were walking away. I could not see your face.
I was just telling a friend of mine how much I would like to go to church. I am a truck driver and I travel cross country most of the time and never get to go to church. I told my friend I want to receive communion and just felt hungry for the lord and thought communion would fulfill that hunger. Well I never did get to go to church but the lord did send me your book.
"Unlocking Gods Secrets" Wow, you certainly unlocked something in me. I am not much of a reader. I don't think I have ever read a whole book in my life but I read yours cover to cover in 2 days. All the prophecies were great but the part that really touched me was chapter 27. Where you talked about the "engagement period" with Jesus.
I struggled with this for days. Can we live in faith with Jesus in our flesh without sin??? I prayed and read my bible and prayed some more. The answer I got was "all things are possible though our lord". Is this a bible verse? I don't know but that's the answer I got. So can I live in faith without sin. Yes I can but I can't do it alone.
Where do I go from here? I just try to fill my whole day with Jesus because if he is with me how can i sin. I am a truck driver and when i am driving I listen to preaching or christian
music. Amazingly all across this country you can find either 24hrs a day on the radio. Maybe this country isn't so lost after all. Some of it is Great, some of it is soft, without salt, "Saved Thur Grace", But what about the Faith Part??? When i am stopped I read my bible and pray. I am Just trying to keep him with me or maybe me with Him so maybe i will have a chance. But for me to have a chance to live in faith without sin i fell he wants all of me. This is where the "no earthly good" part comes in. Because if I put nothing before him, and love him with all my heart there will be no room for anything else, not even sin. I am not ready for this yet but maybe its a growth thing. As my faith grows His grace grows in me and maybe some day thru him I can live without sin.
Anyway, Thanks for the book and Thanks for bringing me back to Jesus. May the Lord be with you and bless you in your walk of Faith.
Sincerely,
JSP (abbrev. intentionally)
FYI: I don't stand to get a dime by promoting this book. I know God is using it to redeem, recommission, and remind.
Lori,
I remember liking 'Uncle Bob' from the the first time you shared some of his thoughts here.
I am intrigued by the book, so just ordered a copy.
Also, I finally ordered Frucht a few weeks back, so I'm working my way through that. Good stuff.
Jamie, glad to see you coming out from the 'cave moss'. There is always so much to read here, I tend to become 'moss' as well. But, it is always good to hear from those we don't 'see' that often.
Blessings to you all this day. I very much appreciate all of the fellow cavers.
Berean,
You are really cooking up good food and I applaud you greatly. I keep wanting to shout, "go, go, go!" and I have even copied the scripture references you gave to JIM G. Hey, I think we can all get in on this lesson and learn greatly. I love your style and your precision tuned mind. Great input and please, keep it coming.
JIM G. you are so right, I was speaking about the topic of great tribulation. I was reading Lisa's scripture comments and you know, I chase rabbits alot but we have never gone hungry either. Eaten a lot of beans and rabbit over the years and glad for it.
WAYNE, I am heading your way to partake of your sermons. Looking forward to it greatly.
DONNA, Where have you been hiding? You been in the back of the Cave with Lightshine and enjoying the soft, sweet moss? Lori shared Uncle Bob at least a year ago.
Love all of you,
Grany
Grany,
It was Diana, not Donna that asked about Uncle Bob. I'm pretty certain Diana entered the cave some time after Lori shared about Uncle Bob and his new book (thus it makes sense that she didn't know about him yet).
By the way Grany. I'd like to say Amen to what you said about Berean!
DONNA, I am sorry I got you confuzzed with Diana. Of course Diana wasn't here when Uncle Bob was writing his book.
Who sez old age is good fun? You can't see half of what is needed, everything goes south except you, food is boring, smells hurt the sinuses and the memory isn't what it used to be along with the old grey mare. I think I will go crawl into the Moss with Lightshine and try not to interfere anymore.
Grany
Sorry, no time to blue link.
Diana, here is Uncle Bob's blog:
http://bobmorleybook.com/myblog/
I check it almost daily and it's great!
GT,
That's funny!
"Lisa;
If I may ask, what were you shown? You left us hanging, I think??"
I'm also wondering when & what it will be. (Of course I had to be a smart mouth & say to myself later- yeah, when are you going to show me? Two years from now?)
Then I felt ashamed about my attitude-maybe that's what it was He wanted to show me!
I'm waiting in faith that the exercise was meant for some reason. If I see something to do w/"winepress" come up & it connects then I'll know.
Great Grany,
I understand what you are saying about old age. I am a great grandfather myself.
And though my old body doesn't want to keep up with me, I just ignore it.
These verses keep me going:
2 Corinthians 4:16-18
Therefore we do not lose heart. Even though our outward man is perishing, yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.
For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal.
Amen?
Thank you to all the nice folks who made me feel welcome.
Maranatha,
A Berean
I have to run for now, I just came in to work on a class I'm teaching this weekend regarding the Mysteries revealed in the NT that were not known in the OT.
Hey, no prob, Grany!
Diana, Donna...they're similar names. "Interfere" all you want... and don't you go hiding in that moss!
To A Berean...thank you for joining in!! Great addition!
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Oh Yeah!
I know Grany will love to know there is another @ the cave who can relate to growing gracefully in Spirit & wisdom.
Not to mention us middle aged & young whippersnappers trailing right behind you. (I wonder if we have an whippersnappers?)
A paste from the Word Detective:
"Whippersnapper" is a somewhat archaic term, rarely heard today outside of movies, and then usually from the mouth of a character portrayed as chronologically-challenged and hopelessly old-fashioned to boot. A "whippersnapper" is an impertinent young person, usually a young man, whose lack of proper respect for the older generation is matched only by his laziness and lack of motivation to better himself.
One might imagine that the term derives from the understandable temptation among more productive citizens to "snap a whip" at such sullen layabouts, but the whips in question actually belonged to the whippersnappers themselves. Such ne'er-do-wells were originally known as "whip snappers" in the 17th century, after their habit of standing around on street corners all day, idly snapping whips to pass the time. The term was been based on the already-existing phrase, "snipper-snapper," also meaning a worthless young man, but in any case, "whip snapper" became "whippersnapper" fairly rapidly.
Though "whippersnapper" originally referred to a young man with no visible ambition, the term has changed somewhat over the years, and today is more likely to be applied to a youngster with an excess of both ambition and impertinence.
Thuunda
I pray for you and here you are!!! welcome back. how have you been?
Berean
welcome and I have enjoyed your posts
Heya people. I haven't posted for a while but I read most comments on a regular basis. Very informative. I learn a lot.
Grany, you're a star. You should be my 3rd gramma!
Jim G, I bet you're a genius right?
Anyhow, I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the pace of events in the world. My head is spinning. However, it seems like no one around me is aware of where we are heading..it's like observing zombies around me...the living dead. It's heartbreaking...
I wanted to ask three questions if I may:
1. One of my best friends, who I witnessed to (I told the story before) and he got a very specific answer to his question through this witnessing (he was daring God really) and got saved and became a minister as a result - a very good one at it as well - very charismatic person. I lost touch with when he relocated to Ireland but through Facebook connected again with him. Unfortunately it would appear that he has taken a liking to the emergent way of thinking and he considers Brian Mclaren one of his personal friends. I'm seeing him end of April when he comes to visit and wanted to ask that people pray that I have the right words for him (if that is God's will that He uses me).
2. Secondly, WHY is FAITH so important to God?
3. Thirdly, I live in South Africa. I have seen over the last year or two that our "Christian Bookshops" - ALL of them - stock the most ungodly material, from the emergent church gurus' writings, the nooma videos of Rob Bell, the weird teaching of Paula White, the shack (of course), and every other heresy that you can find under the sun. Is this the same in the USA and OZ?
Thanks for all ye time.
Heya JIB!!! How ya doin'? Nice to know that people remember me, and not just that, praying for me!
Please keep praying...I need it a lot and in many ways.
And I will be doing the same for you.
Hi friends,
Been reading daily and keeping up with the link-chasing. Noticed a post at Bible Prophesy Today on the subject of the temple sacrifices during the millenium (by Dr. Ice). Not sure if that was noted here yet or not. Lots of good info on the whys and what-fors.
On a personal note, I will be having surgery after Easter to have my thyroid removed. Biopsies showed suspicious cellular activity so my dr. doesn't want to take any chances. Also having an MRI to investigate pain and pressure in the right side of my head. Dr. doesn't think the thyroid is the cause of it so it may be a separate issue to tackle. Will update once I know something definitive.
Have a great weekend ahead!
Blessings,
Jen
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I would dance a jig if I could when I saw Thuunda's name here! Man I have been praying for you every since you just vanished from the blog. I had all kinds of mental pictures of terrible things and then it seemed as if God just eased my worries. I still prayed for you on a daily basis but I still was concerned because of your silence. Be happy to be your granny.
To me, I can't have a relationship with Abba without faith. He breathed into me a measure of faith when I was born and just like learning to walk, it took time to develop faith to where my heart, mind and soul trusts Abba more than it does myself and others. Without faith in him I would have no real basis for what I believe and then I could be deceived and taken captive by any and every doctrine out there. That is what the world is made up of, doctrines. If I don't have faith in God and his Word, then there is nothing after this life is over and there is nothing of any great benefit while I am peddling through the planet waiting to die. It is all just vanity.
But God IS and he has given me that precious seed and I have dared to believe him and take him at His word. Never been sorry for it and never will. God IS and there is no other.
Great seeing you here Thuunda!
JEN: PRAYING FOR YOUR VICTORY!
BEREAN well we know we can't retreat from the future by this time anyway. Besides that, who would be around to teach these kids and whippersnappers (smart alecs)how to make a wooden port-a-potty. Do you know how to make a fire for cooking with two sticks? Me neither!
But it is good to know that I am not the ancient of ages anymore. Good having you on board.
Grany
My head hurts and a bad storm just went sailing past. It wasn't bad here though, you all know why. But at the just right spot in the middle of Interstate 40 heading east into Arkansas, the black red storm, bowed its head and went south into the strip mine wastelands. Hallelujah! Jesus is alive!
Grany
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thanks for the links on Geitner. It fills in the picture a bit more.
I believe that righteous Israel will seek to build the temple in the trib period because many of them believe that a temple must exist before their messiah can come. While they may reject Jesus, they are beginning to clearly put their trust in their coming Messiah. After the destruction of Solomon's temple, no other temple has had the Glory, but it will happen. Their timing might be a bit off, but the desire and the will to make it so are growing.
My understanding of the role of sacrifices in the millennial temple is almost the same as those during the OT period. In the OT time, the sacrifices did not pay for sins, but rather covered them. The more important idea behind them was "the wages of sin is death" and a substitute needed to be provided. While they raised and ate livestock, I'm sure it was not all that wonderful to participate in the sacrifice system, with all the blood, and smell of burning meat and hair.
In the millennial kingdom, there needs to be a continual reminder that the wages of sin is death, and that Christ paid for it. In a world where all is positive and law abiding, it would be very easy for the world to forget the price that Christ paid for their sins. The total assault on their senses is the only way that the evilness of sin and the cost could be conveyed. While a "Yad Veshem" holocaust museum is very effective for those who have suffered great injustice, for those living during the millennium it would become academic, in the same way that more and more people reject the atrocities of the holocaust or even the soviet union.
While the price was paid by Christ, and he is now ruling on the throne, yet there will be generations who will grow up who will no longer see the results of disobedience, and will come to treat those things merely as fables.
At least, that's the way I see it.
Wayne
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