Tuesday, September 23, 2008

1Cor 9:20 - 27

1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became like a Jew in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became like a man under the law, in order to win those under the law (although I myself am not under the law). 

1Co 9:21 To those who do not have the law I became like a man who does not have the law, in order to win those who do not have the law (although I am not free from God's law, but am under the law of Christ). 

1Co 9:22 To the weak I became weak in order to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some of them. 

1Co 9:23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel in order to have a share in its blessings. 

1Co 9:24 You know that in a race all the runners run but only one wins the prize, don't you? You must run in such a way that you may be victorious. 

1Co 9:25 Everyone who enters an athletic contest practices self-control in everything. They do it to win a wreath that dies, but we to win one that never dies. 

1Co 9:26 That is the way I run, with a clear goal in mind. That is the way I box, not like someone punching the air. 

1Co 9:27 No, I keep on beating my body and making it my slave so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not somehow be disqualified. 

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Alesia said...

Atta girlies and one boy

No need to say anything further.

Donna - he most certainly does not have a lisp BUT he does have a serious "say no to R's" campaign going on! it's adorable

jeri from SA said...

To my prolific bloging brothers and sisters in Christ, please don't lag behind because it takes ages to try to catch up.
Alesia, really pleased you and your 'baby' are better.
Grace, praying for Jen and her new addition.
Nate, awesome posts brother and plenty to pray about.
Grany and others keep those posts flying.
Please pray for Adi, my wife, as she has to have another operation next week.
Praying for all.
Yours in Christ
jeri.

donna said...

Jeri, great to hear from you.
You will all be in our hearts and prayers, with a special prayer for Adi.

Mac, great post! Good timing, too.

If there is anyway to link us to your reading something, we'd love to hear it :)

I agree, Nate you have posted some great stuff! I started reading the info from The Isaac Newton link and WOW it's really interesting!

Will check out the Steve Hadley link right now!

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jib said...

Alesia

you are obviously feeling better. that's great.

Jen or Grace (I think)
good news about the baby.

We still need to be praying for the folks in Houston though here is an excerpt from my sister in law about the status there-

"The adjuster is from out of town (they have roof damage), he said that he couldn’t find a hotel anywhere in the city (due to homeland security people), he was staying at a hotel by the airport (about an 1 hour away from us) and that most of his clients were on our side of town, that’s quite a commute.

It is still challenging to get around town. Many major intersections still do not have power making it hard to get through them. It took hubby two hours to get home from work yesterday. (I recall usually only takes him about 45 minutes)

The grocery stores are starting to see more fresh foods (many were without perishable items for at least a week), and the lines at gas stations have diminished.
The hot humid weather has returned, our hearts go out to those who do not have electricity, it is stifling to live in this heat without a/c. "

Jeri
Glad Addie is still doing well.

pray for me-I am having neurologic testing done this AM. There is a question as to whether a fairly serious, but self limited, disease was missed the first time I had the testing done. It is also quite painful to have this testing done. they will be sticking needles in me and zapping me with electricity or as hubby calls it being lightly tasered. they will be doing this in the still somewhat sore foot. likely a good thing I didn't know this was happening today or I'd have been really anxious about it.

Regarding the Rapture-let's hope it isn't in the afternoon my time as the patient's I would be working on at that time wouldn't appreciate it for sure. ha.

Grace said...

Jeri,

Will be praying for Adi!

Thank you for all of your prayers for little Kaitlynn and Jennifer. I will keep you posted on any developments!

Nate, I listen to Steve Hadley quite regularly and am always blessed!

Grace

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Kathy Hall said...

Dropping in to say hi to all. I've finished my weddings and should have time for blogging again. My son is here from Alaska and we get to enjoy him for the next couple of weeks.

Joyce, hope things go well with your foot. God is good and in control.

Rejoicing in Him,
Kathy

(New post at Overcomer for those interested.)

jib said...

from Spurgeon

"Accepted in the beloved." —Ephesians 1:6

What a state of privilege! It includes our justification before God, but the term "acceptance" in the Greek means more than that. It signifies that we are the objects of divine complacence, nay, even of divine delight. How marvellous that we, worms, mortals, sinners, should be the objects of divine love! But it is only "in the beloved." Some Christians seem to be accepted in their own experience, at least, that is their apprehension. When their spirit is lively, and their hopes bright, they think God accepts them, for they feel so high, so heavenly-minded, so drawn above the earth! But when their souls cleave to the dust, they are the victims of the fear that they are no longer accepted. If they could but see that all their high joys do not exalt them, and all their low despondencies do not really depress them in their Father's sight, but that they stand accepted in One who never alters, in One who is always the beloved of God, always perfect, always without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing, how much happier they would be, and how much more they would honour the Saviour!

Great Grany 5 said...

Good Morning everyone! Hope it is a great one for everyone.

First thing off the bat,
LISA, wrestled with this all night and I am sorry I got a bit more than testy yesterday about the Zola Levite link. Please accept my apology.

Mr. Hyde you asked about our Horn blowing schedule. You have my permission to blow your horn anytime you want. Just make sure you don't lisp. LOL Spit in the horn will rot it.

Now on a serious note, after I read Mr. Hyde's question, I mentally formed a picture of what the horn being blown on Rosh Hashanah would seem like from Heaven. If there were people all blowing the horn at the precise time, it might echo around the world and cause an earthquake, volcano, whatever. But if, instead, we blew it in our time zones on a specific day and hour the horn blowing could last for as long as we have time zones. How many times zones does this world have?

Now that would have to get the attention of God. Not that we have to devise schemes to do that but the horn would be blown at least 24 hours.

Can you all imagine what the 1000 year reign of Christ will be like? I heard a very noted bible scholar describing the things that will be done when Jesus returns for the Jews and it is a beautiful picture. I have more or less put the millennium into a little closet of things I will learn more about Later but after hearing this teacher, I have this big itch to dig a little deeper in scriptures for the nuggets.

What seemed to be beyond comprehension before just opened up and walla, there was the beauty of God's provisions and reconciliation with His beloved Jews. Don't you just love Abba!

Grany

Great Grany 5 said...

Jeri, still have Adi in my prayers and will keep it up. Remember, the name of Jesus is still above every name in Heaven, on earth and under the earth.

Alesia, good to see you sparkling again. Does Mac really sound that good? Oh, you wouldn't be a little one sided in that would you?

Grace, still praying and believing.

Now I have to finish reading the comments. I am a little slow today as I didn't get to sleep until after 4 a.m. this morning and I feel limp! My mind would not turn off last night and I don't know what brought that about.

Talk at you later.

Grany

Late Night Lisa said...

I ran across this great site. This lady has posted her poems for people to use & I found one to print out and put in the non-printed flap of a card.

Heaven's Roll Call

Marge said...

Lisa and Joyce,
Please note my apology on last blog. #145.

Joyce,
Agreeing for all to be well with your foot.

Jeri,
Hi there! Also praying for your wife.

Kathy,
I'll have to drop in and visit your new post :)

God is good and good all the time!
Have a wonderful day in the Lord!

(expecting some good praise reports!)

Marge said...

Alesia,
So glad that you and your daughter are feeling better!

Another great, God's Daily Promises, today. (I just read mine) Want to post it? (smile) It really spoke volumns to me :) Something I need to review on a daily basis.

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Great Grany 5 said...

Nate,
Hon, don't worry about them planning on reading your mind. You have the mind of Christ and I guarantee they will not understand it at all. Besides that, look how chock full it is with the Word of God and I would love to see their faces when it comes to my mind. How about Lisa's with all of her information gathering. Or for that matter, let's see them try to make something of Jim Carroll's mind. Hey, we are all on to something here.

Wish you could hear Billye Brim teaching at EMIC. Oh, I love to listen to her expound the bible as it relates to the Jews. She is speaking on Ezekiel and the current events in Israel.

"I will lift up my voice with praises to the Lord God almighty; he reigns in eternity and we are but a blink in the eyes of the Great Almighty.

His mighty works he has displayed that all men should worship Him in the beauty of Holiness. His grace is sufficient to all who call upon his name and humble themselves before a righteous God. He is an ever present Help in times of trouble.

He desires our adoration and praise. He is coming again as a swift Warrior on a Stead of Purity to break the power of the enemy of mankinds soul; He will come with his Heavenly Army to fight that final battle and vanquish the evil one from his creation forever.

He was once a sacrificial Lamb that was slain from the foundations of the earth but when He comes and sets his feet on earth, He will be King of all kings and Lord of all lords. He will destroy the works of the devil with the power of his tongue speaking out the Word of God.

Oh, I feel it so very deeply at this very second, minute and hour that His approach is soooo very, very near. As I type this, the tears won't stop and I feel like there is a very great need for all of us to get rid of anything that separates us from the Love of God. No man can do it but we can hold inside of us offenses, anger, dislike, and all of the weapons that Satan likes to use to drag us a little further away from God. Don't let him do it to you any longer. The choices we make are of our own doing but God is looking on our hearts and that is what has to be cleared out and cleaned up.

I love you all and I have no idea why this burden is on me right now but you have to know, it is genuine.

Grany

Are you ready for the shout that calls the Believers to heaven? It is time to examine our own hearts and know for sure that He who dwells in the Secret Place is our reason to live.

Great Grany 5 said...

Psalm 27
[A Psalm] of David.
1THE LORD is my Light and my Salvation--whom shall I fear or dread? The Lord is the Refuge and Stronghold of my life--of whom shall I be afraid?

2When the wicked, even my enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.

3Though a host encamp against me, my heart shall not fear; though war arise against me, [even then] in this will I be confident.

4One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek, inquire for, and [insistently] require: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord [in His presence] all the days of my life, to behold and gaze upon the beauty [the sweet attractiveness and the delightful loveliness] of the Lord and to meditate, consider, and inquire in His temple.

5For in the day of trouble He will hide me in His shelter; in the secret place of His tent will He hide me; He will set me high upon a rock.

6And now shall my head be lifted up above my enemies round about me; in His tent I will offer sacrifices and shouting of joy; I will sing, yes, I will sing praises to the Lord.

7Hear, O Lord, when I cry aloud; have mercy and be gracious to me and answer me!

8You have said, Seek My face [inquire for and require My presence as your vital need]. My heart says to You, Your face (Your presence), Lord, will I seek, inquire for, and require [of necessity and on the authority of Your Word].

9Hide not Your face from me; turn not Your servant away in anger, You Who have been my help! Cast me not off, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation!

10Although my father and my mother have forsaken me, yet the Lord will take me up [adopt me as His child].

11Teach me Your way, O Lord, and lead me in a plain and even path because of my enemies [those who lie in wait for me].

12Give me not up to the will of my adversaries, for false witnesses have risen up against me; they breathe out cruelty and violence.

13[What, what would have become of me] had I not believed that I would see the Lord's goodness in the land of the living!

14Wait and hope for and expect the Lord; be brave and of good courage and let your heart be stout and enduring. Yes, wait for and hope for and expect the Lord.

Ephesians 1 The prayer of Paul for the Saints

The following is a prayer that we all need to take to heart nationally and world wide.

Ephesians 1
1PAUL, AN apostle (special messenger) of Christ Jesus (the Messiah), by the divine will (the purpose and the choice of God) to the saints (the consecrated, set-apart ones) at Ephesus who are also faithful and loyal and steadfast in Christ Jesus:

2May grace (God's unmerited favor) and spiritual peace [which means peace with God and harmony, unity, and undisturbedness] be yours from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

3May blessing (praise, laudation, and eulogy) be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) Who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual (given by the Holy Spirit) blessing in the heavenly realm!

4Even as [in His love] He chose us [actually picked us out for Himself as His own] in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy (consecrated and set apart for Him) and blameless in His sight, even above reproach, before Him in love.

5For He foreordained us (destined us, planned in love for us) to be adopted (revealed) as His own children through Jesus Christ, in accordance with the purpose of His will [[b]because it pleased Him and was His kind intent]--

6[So that we might be] to the praise and the commendation of His glorious grace (favor and mercy), which He so freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

7In Him we have redemption (deliverance and salvation) through His blood, the remission (forgiveness) of our offenses (shortcomings and trespasses), in accordance with the riches and the generosity of His gracious favor,

8Which He lavished upon us in every kind of wisdom and understanding (practical insight and prudence),

9Making known to us the mystery (secret) of His will (of His plan, of His purpose). [And it is this:] In accordance with His good pleasure (His merciful intention) which He had previously purposed and set forth in Him,

10[He planned] for the maturity of the times and the climax of the ages to unify all things and head them up and consummate them in Christ, [both] things in heaven and things on the earth.

11In Him we also were made [God's] heritage (portion) and we obtained an inheritance; for we had been foreordained (chosen and appointed beforehand) in accordance with His purpose, Who works out everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His [own] will,

12So that we who first hoped in Christ [who first put our confidence in Him have been destined and appointed to] live for the praise of His glory!

13In Him you also who have heard the Word of Truth, the glad tidings (Gospel) of your salvation, and have believed in and adhered to and relied on Him, were stamped with the seal of the long-promised Holy Spirit.

14That [Spirit] is the guarantee of our inheritance [the firstfruits, the pledge and foretaste, the down payment on our heritage], in anticipation of its full redemption and our acquiring [complete] possession of it--to the praise of His glory.

15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints (the people of God),

16I do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers.

17[For I always pray to] the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, that He may grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation [of insight into mysteries and secrets] in the [deep and intimate] knowledge of Him,

18By having the eyes of your heart flooded with light, so that you can know and understand the hope to which He has called you, and how rich is His glorious inheritance in the saints (His set-apart ones),

19And [so that you can know and understand] what is the immeasurable and unlimited and surpassing greatness of His power in and for us who believe, as demonstrated in the working of His mighty strength,

20Which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His [own] right hand in the heavenly [places],

21Far above all rule and authority and power and dominion and every name that is named [above every title that can be conferred], not only in this age and in this world, but also in the age and the world which are to come.

22And He has put all things under His feet and has appointed Him the universal and supreme Head of the church [a headship exercised throughout the church],

23Which is His body, the fullness of Him Who fills all in all [for in that body lives the full measure of Him Who makes everything complete, and Who fills everything everywhere with Himself].

Grany

campsmore said...

Good words Wilma!

If the gov't wants to read my mind, I'm going to fill up on caffeine first and then their machines will blow up. It won't be pretty....

Mac, if you want to participate in blowing a shofar at the same time as the rest of the world that is doing "the wave" to God, go to this website and find the time for your zone.

Jerusalem's celebration starts at sundown (5:46PM, UTC +3h) on 9/29/08.

Mac, you'll be +9, +10 or +11 depending on your location in Aust.

campsmore said...

Jeri, good to hear from you, prayer going before God.

Grace said...

Could someone clarify the time a bit? I look on the website and it says +8. How do I calculate that? I am pacific time.


Grace

PS: Heard from Susan this morning and the baby is doing fantastically. They told Jen if she wanted to be able to go see the baby she would have to be able to get herself into the wheelchair. She did it!! She spent some lovely time talking to that sweet little one and touching her little toes lastnight. Thank you for your goodness Lord!

Grace

Late Night Lisa said...

Marge, Grany, Mac & all of the Zola Levitt admirers -Thank you for the apologies & concerns-really it's no big deal.

It's not unlike me to post something which will possibly spark some type of controversy.

My overreaction is in part to thinking I'm posting a kitten when it turns into a Lion and bites my head off.

What I've seen of of Levitt's ministry has been great & that's why I had signed up for the newsletter & was surprised to see something that could be interpreted as negative.

But then-I also like Billy Graham and he ended up going w/the worldly flow of these encumenicals.While they state their ultimate goal is religious tolerance & education it's actually also about compromising religious beliefs in order to "all get along."

I feel this to be a tool which is being used to set up a One World Religion under the New World Order. We are currently witness to the beginnings of the One World Economy.

It's a very subtle ploy but if you've study what happened to Billy Graham you know how he transitioned from what an
"Evangelical" used to be into a person of compromise and likeable to the world. He now gets along with every religious denomination because basically he publicly states the "all roads lead to" path.

Dr. Billy Graham told Parade Magazine, "I fully adhere to the fundamental tenets of the Christian faith for myself and my ministry, but as an American, I respect other paths to God."

When someone splits off on that PC fork I'm not going with them.

On the other had I had bought a book called "The Journey" How to Live by Faith in an Uncertain World, by Billy Graham. It was published in 2006 and I thoroughly enjoyed it and didn't find anything suspect at all. My husband thinks it's one of the best Christian books he's read.Graham speaks of Jesus Christ all the way though it.

So if someone reads this book & thinks its OK then if they are not Bible literate then they may believe "everything" that comes out of the mouth of Mr. Graham. That's the problem. There are many things I'm sure he has to say which are great for instruction but what about the words with don't line up with the Bible?

May 31st, 1997 @ the Crystal Cathedral:

Robert Schuller: "Tell me, what do you think of the future of Christianity?"

Billy Graham: "I think everybody who knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ...God's purpose is to call out a people for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, Buddhist world, the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus...and I think they are saved, and that they are going to be in heaven with us."

"British Broadcasting Corporation interview- July 6, 1989- Program call "World Affairs"- Graham said his early concept of hell was that of Dante's Inferno. Today, Graham thinks hell is merely separation from God. He said he didn't believe we can merge the world's religions, but Graham said he believes there is truth in all religions." (There you go Marge-how much truth & how much poison?)

As far as Zola Levitt & the Encumenical Movement goes-I have not idea if or how far he took the concept of "getting along." It was just something that caught my attention in that article.

It's natural to want to be peaceable with all religions but I don't want to "get along" at the expense of altering the truths of God's word in compromise.

Like w/Graham. In the book he says one thing but in public situations depending upon who he's addressing he says entirely another. What are you suppose to believe about the guy? One of the greatest Evangelical teachers of all time?

Look @ how many he's led to Christ in his lifetime but what is the end result for Mr.Graham?

Is he one of the elect who was led astray?

Grace said...

Another update oh Jennifer, Susan and baby Kaitlynn....the neurosurgeon came in today and said that at this point the baby does not need a shunt!!! He will be back on Friday and reevaluate her. Miracles, miracles and God's kindness everywhere.

Once again, thank you for your prayers and let's all agree that Kaitlynn would not need a shunt on Friday either.

Grace

Great Grany 5 said...

I just have to share this with you all.

This is funny and true--

A man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman On a busy boulevard.
Suddenly, the light turned yellow, just in front of him. He did the right thing, stopping at the crosswalk, Even though he could have beaten the red light by
Accelerating through the intersection.

The tailgating woman was furious and honked her horn, screaming in frustration, as she missed her chance to get through the intersection, dropping her cell phone and makeup.

As she was still in mid-rant, she heard a tap on her window and looked up into the face of a very serious police officer. The officer ordered her to exit her car with her hands up.

He took her to the police station where she was searched, fingerprinted, photographed, and placed in a holding cell.

After a couple of hours, a policeman approached the cell and opened the door. She was escorted back to the booking desk where the arresting officer was waiting with her personal effects.

He said, 'I'm very sorry for this mistake. You see, I pulled up behind your car while you were blowing your horn, flipping off the guy in front of you, and cussing a blue streak at him.'
I noticed the 'What Would Jesus Do' bumper sticker, The 'Choose Life' license plate holder, the 'Follow Me to Sunday-School'bumper sticker, and the chrome-plated Christian fish emblem on the trunk; so naturally...I assumed you had stolen the car.'

Priceless!

Got any bumper stickers on your car?

Grany

jib said...

my brother's prediction about the rapture is that it will happen on a day that ends in "y"

Lisa
I have been long distressed about what Mr Graham has said in his later years. I would like to blame it on his parkinson's but don't know that I can. There was a book written recently about Graham as pastor to the presidents and it was not all peaches and roses and seemed at least superficially to be a balanced book. sorry can't remember the name. I still see him as one of the elect but you are right on with the statement that if a non discerning person read that book and then turned to other books they could get very confused. Not sure what happened to his "only Christ" message.

regarding my tests-ouch my feet hurt and I'm bruised as well. both muscle and sensation nerves are affected but he isn't sure why-he's now leaning to some sort of genetic problem-oh great-or perhaps something that happened to me much earlier in life. there will be more testing in the future. whatever it is, it is not worse than it was 8 years ago. my mother is very anxious now. Me not so much-it doesn't bother me a whole lot really and doesn't interfere with my life for the most part so who knows.

campsmore said...

United Nations and the OIC (Organization of Islamic Conference) "Cooperation.... had been growing stronger every year..." "...legislate against the publication of blasphemous caricatures and to declare such activities as crimes..." "...those of other faiths must not insult the beliefs of 1.5 billion people"


Ahmadinejad's speech to UN


Ahmadinejad: Israel like plane without an engine

Ahmadinejad: Israel's demise benefits all

Palin Speech...on Ahmadinejad: 'He Must Be Stopped

Erasing Ahmadinejad from the map Op piece

Peres at UN: World in danger if Iran produces nuclear bomb

N. Sarkozy's speech to UN OOps, it's in french


Sarkozy has stern words at UN for Russia, Iran


Those behind market crisis should be punished: Sarkozy

Bush at UN General Assembly: World must stand united against terrorism

Russia Sends Warships to Caribbean, a First Since Cold War

Pakistanis say suspected US drone shot down


US officials dispute Pakistan drone crash report


Pakistani leaders were scheduled to be at hotel when bombed
"...last-minute change of venue saved them."

How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett They name names.....

McCain: Hands off Israeli-Syrian Talks

McCain 'Would Not Promote Israel-PA Talks

campsmore said...

My dad said that if you do "the wave" on September 29th, raise your arms in the air and remember to say, "todah (sp?)," which is high praise to God.

We're going to recite "Hear Oh Israel" in Hebrew, yell "Yeshua HaMaschiach, Maranatha!" raise our hands and todah the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

campsmore said...

Grace, unless you're in Singapore, you're probably in -8 which is 9:46am your time.

Grace said...

Thank you Lori, that clarifies it for me!


I have a little story to tell you and I hope you all do not find it odd....
I have really been worrying ( and praying about that date) because I know that the rest of my family will think I am nuts...I want to stand up and be counted for the Lord, however. I have been asking the Lord what I should do. It is usually a day I would work.

I got a traffic ticket a few weeks ago, which I was quite upset about. I have had two of them in the last two years and none for almost 30 years before that. (I have driven for a living for the past 5 years)

I have really prayed and repented of not paying enough attention when I am driving and took it as a warning from the Lord.

Since my court date is mid day I am just taking a day of vacation so not to interrupt my work schedule.

My court date is none other than September 29th....my entire morning is free.

God works all things for my good. I am humbled and grateful. I will be joining all the rest of you.

Grace

Late Night Lisa said...

Don't you just look @ the sunset @ blow right when the sun dips below the horizon?

Like when your looking for the green flash on the ocean sunset?

You have to see this Rosh Hashana Video The horn the girl has looks just like mine and if you watch it till the very end-that's how I sound when I blow it. Well maybe a little better (:

Late Night Lisa said...

This looks very familiar-Funny

Late Night Lisa said...

Nate,

I just watched the "If Millions Have Disappeared...” video. I like the content but I was just putting myself in the place of someone left behind & he's smiling almost the entire message.

Gee, I know Steve is thinking how happy he is do be the 1st group out but the person who would be watching him would be panicked.

I would take the smile as a smirk-Na,Na...Na,Na,Na. But here's what you should do type of thing.

***If he doesn't have a good serious face then maybe substitute some pictures in between for a visual would be nice.

What do you think? Good idea? Or the smile wouldn't bother anyone?

Alf Cengia said...

JIB, I'm keeping you in prayer.

Jeri, good to hear from you. Keeping Adi in prayer as well.

Marge said...

Grace,
In agreement with Matt. 18:19, that there will be no shunt on Friday.

Grace said...

Neglected to mention...Praying for your foot JIB.

Grace

Late Night Lisa said...

This is the most "crediable" testimony of UFO activity I've yet seen. They are top military officials & 1st hand witnesses.

UFO Disclosure Project

What they want to do is pressure the Govt. to disclose to the public what has been kept secret in order to develop our energy solutions, reverse global warming & stop weaponizing space.

These "other life forms" see us destroying our planet & have in fact @ times caused "missles to misfire" and not do harm. (Don't you think that was God?)

Anyway-it's really long but watch it @ some point if you have any interest. You can imagine if the rapture were to happen how this theory could rapidly take hold & cause people to believe in what these creatures/demons have to say.

But what I like about this video is "who" is doing the talking. Not just some guy off the street that can be swept under the rug as nuts.

Late Night Lisa said...

Mark Blitz will be speaking again at my old church Maranatha 7:00 Tonight Pacific Time.

You can watch it on Live Feed or See the Archives later. It would be posted under the Midweek Service.

**I'm not sure if it's anything new or just a review.

Sara said...

Jim C.: it looks like you were right about the reaction to the DVD (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080924/D93COGEG1.html) The headline reads: Muslim group seeks probe of 'radical Islam' DVD

Great Grany 5 said...

I just wanted to share this with all of you today. In times like these we need to remember who we are and whose we are.

From God's Daily Promises

Wednesday September 24
This week's promise: God has conquered all our enemies.

Are you concerned about losing your faith?
Can anything ever separate us from Christ's love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or are hungry or cold or in danger or threatened with death? (Even the Scriptures say, 'For your sake we are killed every day, we are being slaughtered like sheep.') No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who lovee us.

And I am convinced that nothing can every separate us from his love. Death can't, and life can't. The angels can't, and the demons can't. Our fears for today, our worries about tomorrow, and even the powers of hell can't keep God's love away. Whether we are high above the sky or in the deepest ocean, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:35-39 NLT


We are God's People

'We are not babes in the woods—we are God's people and, no matter how it looks now, we are going to inherit this earth and rule it. The devil may be prince of this world, but the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof, and He will set up His kingdom and His people will be in charge of it.

Vance Havner

Quoted in 1001 Great Stories and Quotes (Tyndale House) p 420"

Give God the Praises and the Glory and let's get on with living this Life we have chosen in victory by the Power of the Holy Spirit and His word.

Grany
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Scott Robinson said...

Hey Grace,
If I remember right we've at -6 GMT/UTC here in central (texas) time zone, that'd make you -8 GMT in Cali. I think "they" changed the name of GMT (Grenwich mean time) to UTC a few years ago. But 0 GMT is in England, hence + 3 Jerusalem. And there are 24 time zones, but see the map to see which one you are in. Parts of Arizona and oceania get weird.

In His Grip,
Scott

jim.carroll said...

Scott, Shalom! You wrote:

Parts of Arizona and oceania get weird.

And this surprises you because ...?

:-)

Arizona is a problem because they don't do Daylights Savings Time. All of Arizona is in the Mountain Time zone, and all of Arizona does not observe Daylights Savings Time, EXCEPT for the Navajo Indian Nation, which DOES observer DST.

(FWIW, Hawaii doesn't do DST either, for that matter.)

For a really cool display, go to time.gov. They've got a display that will give you time in your time zone (accurate to within 3 seconds), along with a world map that shows where the sun is shining and where it's night.

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donna said...

That time.gov site is cool.

Another thing...I never realized how big Australia is until recently.

Jeri and his family and the others in SA must be asleep.

Good morning mac!

jim.carroll said...

Shalom, all! Thought you might be interested in this blog entry by Mark Mallett, "Why Faith?", on why it is through faith we are saved.

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Mr Hyde said...

Mr Carroll; how are you faring with the night shift?

Donna; Australia is bigger than Texas! Howevah, my closet is quite small.

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Late Night Lisa said...

If anyone is up and wants to watch Biltz live (I keep calling him Blitz-ug)it should be on in just a minute.Live Feedcast

Great Grany 5 said...

NATE,

Do you suppose he was talking out of both sides of his face? Do you know how I feel about it? Because of this mess in the credit markets all of the world is going to be paying for someone elses poor judgment and the other side of the coin, Greed! The authors of it will dance away like belly dancers in a cheap Greek Restaurant and all the way to their Swiss bank accounts.

I just read and listened to McCain suspending his campaign in order to take care of Senate business and Obama refusing to. Of course, when you consider Obama has never voted for anything except being present, it is just as well that he miss those sessions. But has he thought about the choice opportunities he could have for photo ops doing what he is elected to do?

How much do you all think Joe Biden will resign from the VP position on the ticket and Jez will take his place? Hey, I told my hubby that 3 days ago when the first report was shared about Joe saying the ads about McCain were "Terrible" and he would never approve of them if he had known.

It is going to get interesting folks. As Bugs Bunny always ended
"That's All Folks"

Grany

Late Night Lisa said...

That's the rumor anyway. Hillary replaces Biden. Hubby got one of those emails the other day saying that Biden will resign stating health problems.

The two top political dogs @ his office who are Demo & far left don't believe that will ever happen. It would make Obama look like a fool to "Change" his mind.

Suffering succotash!(Who says that one? It's it Bugs?)

Alf Cengia said...

Daffy Duck.

Alf Cengia said...

No, it was Sylvester the cat.

Alesia said...

Listen to me!

jim.carroll said...

Mr. Hyde, Shalom! The graveyard shift is fine. I think I'm adapting to it with fewer problems than I expected. I've always been a bit of a night owl, I think as a result of my ADHD. As my body grows more fatigued, the distractions fade away and I can get a surprising amount of work done. Basically, I go in at 10:30PM; stare at a monitor for hours on end, occasionally answering trouble tickets; get home by 7:30AM, grab something to eat and crawl into bed for 6 hours. It's a lot better than I thought it would be. Confuses the heck out of my cats, though.

As for your closet, I hope it's large enough for you to stretch out and sleep. To sleep; perchance to dream...

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jim.carroll said...

I don't think it's a very high probability that Obama will dump Biden. Although the popular election may be neck and neck, this article says that Obama is leading in electoral votes (if he wins in the states where the polls have him leading or leaning to lead). According to them, Obama has 229 electoral votes; McCain has 200; while 8 states with 190 votes are undecided. 270 are needed to win. So as it stands now, there's no real political advantage to swapping VP candidates. Not to mention, but it might not be legally possible: Each state has its own deadlines for each party to officially declare what candidates are for what office. This is so the states can get the ballots printed up in time for the election. The longer it takes, the less likely that the Democrats will be able to swap people on the ballot.

If Biden drops out for whatever reason (health, "family reasons" or my favorite, from some politician in Louisiana I think, "Being caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy") then this will be problematic for the Democrats. It comes down to a) letting people vote for Biden, then have the Congress determine who the vice president should be, or b) telling people to write in Hillary's name. Either way has its problems:

1. People who vote for a straight ticket won't be able to. Depending on the state, a straight ticket means a straight ticket. You can't mark "all Democrat" on the ballot and then vote for a Republican or Libertarian dog-catcher. If they do the straight ticket, then that throws the VP selection to the Congress.

2. What if not everybody writes in Hillary's name? If the Democrats want to depend on Hillary as a write-in candidate, then plan on some HUGE problems and quite a few legal challenges. First, you'll have the people who vote for Obama-Biden, and then write in Hillary's name. I'm not sure what the legal rules are about spelling or about the form of the name -- we might wind up with Bill as VP. Second, what about people who vote Obama-Biden and then DON'T write in Hillary's name. I don't think the Election Commission simply allow all the votes for Biden to be translated to Hillary, since that assumes that there won't be some people who STILL want to vote for Biden because they DON'T want to vote for Hillary. So then we're still talking about throwing the election to the Congress.

I believe this is what they would call a "wicked googley" in cricket. Let the wild rumpus begin!

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jeri from SA said...

Hi my brothers and sisters in Christ,

Please get this prayer request out to as many as possible as soon as possible.

Dear Brother Reggie Naidoo,

Greetings to you in the precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Thank you for all of your concerned prayers lifted at the Throne of Grace on our behalf during the past. It is with a great burden that I share this Prayer Request with you that you may pray for us and also encourage your family and friends to go on their knees to seek the Lord on behalf of the Christians who are persecuted in Orissa, Karnataka, and in the other parts of India, during the past months, which is still continuing.

As you would be aware through the media coverage, the Christian community in Orissa, India, is facing a desperate situation as their homes are being looted and burnt, churches demolished, people beaten to death and in some gory cases the homes were locked from outside and torched killing all those who were inside. The fanatics and fundamentalists are hand in hand in these places with only a single purpose in mind and that is to wipe out the Christians and all the Gospel related activity as much as they could as they do not want to see the kingdom of God expanding on this earth.

So far hundreds of churches have been demolished to the ground, houses burnt to ashes, many people tortured, beaten and murdered, and in some cases as I have mentioned above, houses were locked from outside and torched by the fanatics.

Thousands of people have become homeless and are taking shelter in the thickets of the nearby jungle that is home to many wild animals including tigers. There is nothing to protect them from sun, rain and the cold at nights. The children have no milk to feed on, the adults have no food to eat, no clothes to change and no clean water to drink. The people keep on moving from one place to another for the fear of being detected by the fanatics. If they come into the village in search of food, they will be caught and beaten, however, people risk their lives and sneak into the nearby villages at night to grab whatever they can and return to the jungle to feed their wife and children. These kind of atrocities have been there on for years in many parts of India, but now it has taken a new dimension and very vicious.

Your prayers are very much needed for God to touch the fanatics and those who are against the spread of the Gospel, and ease out the situation that peace may reign again in these areas and that people could lead a normal life free from all fear and violence.

Thank you in advance for taking this into your heart. We love you very much and greatly appreciate your concerned prayers on our behalf.

Sincerely,
In Christ Jesus,
FRANK GODBERG.

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Alesia said...

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Perfect prayer, Nate.

Grace said...

Beautiful, beautiful prayer Nate!

I for me also!


Grace

Grace said...

Here is an article about some of what is going on in India and Orissa.


http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/india-murder-rape-arson-continue-16399/

donna said...

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I join my brothers and sisters with Nates prayer.

Amen!

I had no clue any of this was going on. What a world!

Late Night Lisa said...

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I hope they remember the words to the Faithful Church.

I was trying to find a newsletter one of the missions sent me last week. They were confirming the destruction in Orissa.A picture of a deceased elementary school child burnt in the fire was shown & many of the orphanages,houses,and structures which had been provided through this mission are gone.

Rev 3:7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Commentary of the Faithful Church This is a good one. Didn't know specifically about the "earthquakes" Philadelphia had to deal with or the names that used to be engraved on the "pagan" pillars.

Late Night Lisa said...

I found it-can't post the pictures but here is the letter from Heaven's Family:

Dear Friends,

Although it won't make international news, our spiritual family in the state of Orissa, India, is facing a major test. Fanatical Hindu mobs have been on a rampage, determined to exterminate Christians, whether they be Evangelical, Protestant or Roman Catholic. Those mobs have been looting, raping, murdering, and burning down homes and churches. Some believers have been hacked to death or burned alive. Those who have escaped are fleeing to the jungles to preserve their lives. Over 50,000 Christians have been displaced. At least 4,000 homes have been destroyed, as well as hundreds of churches. 13,000 people are living in nine relief camps.

Rajani Mahji was burned alive, while another young girl survived the same fate, but will bear scars all of her life

Heaven's Family is well connected to believers in India, having already provided some relief earlier this year after a similar, but lesser, persecution in Orissa. We've also distributed thousands of books to Indian pastors in at least four languages. And we are continually involved in assisting Christian widows, orphans and lepers in India.

One of our primary partners in southern India, pastor K.V. Daniel, has informed me that 110 Christian families among his churches have lost everything, and four of their small orphanages have been destroyed. Right now, believers in Orissa urgently need food and shelter. After the Indian government is able to stabilize the situation, believers will need help rebuilding their lives.

Alesia said...

Swiped from Sue at Praise & Coffee:

Frustrated with people?

Here's what God says:
Eph 4:29-32
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. (ie: grudge)
32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
NIV

There's freedom in forgiveness.

jib said...

me also

jib said...

quick question-I'm mulling something over.

the spring feasts were fulfilled within weeks of each other and in the same year. is it therefore reasonable to assume that the fall feasts will be fulfilled in the same year?

jib said...

wow
Jim that link to the Mallet article was very thought provoking and doubtless true

jib said...

this is the ecumenical spirit at it's worst.

World Council of Churches and others to meet with the Iranian dinner jacket at formal dinner on peace

Marge said...

Jib,
For the World Coucil of Churches:

(borrowed from Perry Stone:)

"this is another example of ignorance on steroids1"

(Perry Stone said this, about something else, but I believe it's quite fitting for this article.)

Marge said...

Nate,
I- for me, too.

(I started at the bottom :)

Late Night Lisa said...

Today I've got what I'll call "The feeling" again. It's as bad today as I have felt it on other particular occasions. The only way I can explain it is that I somehow feel in my spirit the spiritual condition prevalent in the Church.

I'm always aware of the situation but on occasion it turns a burden.

The ladies will understand this explanation. (Close your eyes men)

It's really similar to how women can feel when their hormones are raging right before a period. We can cry over watching a TV commercial but laugh @ ourselves because we realize these intense emotional feelings make no logical sense.

Well when this happens it's sort of the same thing except that I know the reason & I feel pain @ a core level about it.

Reading the letter from Brother Naidoo may have set me off.

Then last night I had a weird dream. I don't think it's prophetic but it had to do w/the Tribulation and cosmic signs. I was in a room looking out a window @ night watching the sky. There were red curtains on either side & it was very dark, could see many stars, was listening for a sound (trumpet?) but the I has an ominous Huge white planet-really close-looked like the moon but it appeared diseased in the bottom left corner out the window. Black rotted spots on it-like cavities on a tooth. (Jim C?)

Then to top it off as I dropped my daughter off @ her Christian pre-school I overheard ladies in the parking lot talking about the "bean casserole" they had @ their church function. Well that really did it after being upset about the Christians having to hide in bushes! They can take their bean casserole and you know what.

There is a new group function called "Apples of Gold." I've been going to for 3 hrs on Sunday. These darling older ladies mentor us child rearing ones.

For the 1st hour someone gives a talk on something. Last week it was how to bake a cake. The 2nd hour we do a study a topic. "Children" it was. The 3rd hour we socialize & eat. Go over a few Biblical topics to apply in our lives.

It's not that this is a bad thing to do-it's really quite fun and I thoroughly enjoy the fellowship. But I can't get it out of my mind there are more important topics to discuss than spending and hour on baking cakes or nutrition.

I want to say-hello there- Anyone awake? Look @ what is happening to our nation-what are we doing here sipping our sweet teas & having a food design contest? I was asking my friend who goes to Church w/these gals if her pastor mentioned anything about what is happening to the US right now.

Nope. "I like what our pastor has to say because the message is very practical & I can apply it to my life." (But she asked me what I thought & I told her. She wants to come back over and have me teach her some more Biblical issues from a prophetic standpoint.) I really think people "fear" spiritual reality. They don't want to know because it will pull them out of their comfort zone. This one friend is willing & mentions to her friends how "interesting" I am in that I study these things. Her friends try not to show it but you should see their pupils dilate. It's really one of "Oh-I don't want to know."

Am I just too restless? Do I need to calm down or am I justifiably concerned about the room full of these sweet & lovely Baptist ladies?

So that is what I'm struggling with in "Middle Tennessee."

There are some points which really struck me today from this artice Church of Laodicean & if you like it maybe there is someone you know that could benefit from reading it.

***It explains the Church of Laodicean in great depth & detail.

This is what struck me in this article about the Laodiceans listed right before the start of Tribulation:

"These two industries(medicine & textiles) produced a third that multiplied their already vast wealth—banking."

In this indictment of the Laodiceans, God, in His inimitable way, is warning us of what happens to a people's heart and mind just prior to a nation's collapse. Since we live so close to the time of the end, we need to take His warning and admonition to heart.....The United States
is being set up to collapse!.....

God reveals His love for the Laodicean when, rather than giving up on him, He gives him a punishing trial. He allows him to go through the fire, the Great Tribulation, to chasten him for his idolatry, to remind him of his true priorities and to give him the opportunity to repent."

Great Grany 5 said...

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Jen said...

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Jim G. said...

Nate, Grany, Lisa, and Jim C.:

Regarding the manner in which the VP is selected (and the related question of whether Hillary could replace Joe), don't forget that we will technically vote for electors on November 8, and the electors will then vote for President and Vice President (separately)on December 15. Then, on January 6, 2009, Congress will meet in joint session to count the electoral votes.

As a governor, Sarah Palin will have the responsibility to prepare seven original Certificates of Ascertainment listing the persons appointed as electors for Alaska.

Federal law requires that the Certificates of Ascertainment be prepared and authenticated in the following manner:
1. Each Certificate must list the names of the electors chosen by the voters and the number of votes received.
2. Each Certificate must list the names of all other candidates for elector and the number of votes received.
3. Each Certificate must be signed by the Governor and carry the seal of the State.

Certificates of Vote are the documents that contain the elector's votes for president and vice president.

Twelfth Amendment

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.... The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President to the United States.

The 2008 Presidential Election: Provisions of the Constitution and United States Code

“Must electors vote for the candidate who won their State's popular vote?"

List of Electors Bound by State Law and Pledges

Don't worry, this will not be on the exam. The only question on the final exam will be "Do you know me?" and I'm not the one who will be asking the question.

GT said...

nate;
I-for me!

Maranatha!

Jim G. said...

OK Lisa,
Had I read your last post about the dream before posting all that "bean casserole" level VP info, I wouldn't have. Thanks for bringing us (or me) back to the important things.

TexanForChrist said...

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Late Night Lisa said...

Jim G,
I don't see anything neg. about posting info re: the presidential casseroles. (It's just a different subject.)

TexanforChrist,
What happened to you? Doesn't a Texan Santa Claus wear a 10 gallon hat?

FYI from Jacob Prasch:

"Urgent prayer request – please pray for Paul Thangaia in Bangalore, India. RSS plan to kill him. They burnt 20 churches last night and plan to destroy 200 churches in Orissa. BJP has planned to kill 200 pastors in the next 24 hours. Please pray for at least two minutes and forward to all Christians.

Please pray for Mrs. Hoffman, who is having health problems. She is a Moriel volunteer who prays for all of our supporters and write personal thank you notes to them.

MORIEL & Jacob Prasch request prayer for Jan Markell of Olive Tree Ministries who has taken quite ill. We request she or her ministry not be contacted.

We also request prayer for Dave Hunt & T.A. Mc Mahon of The Berean Call and for Roger Oakland, all of whom are battling serious health issues."

Late Night Lisa said...

Shalom in Christ Jesus,

"The following article is very revealing into the state of many a believer in America and I would surmise, the West. I find it quite sad, even depressing that Christians have fallen so far from the truth of the Word of God that it takes a crises in the most base of all human institutions, one involving the creditor and debtor in the banking industry to bring people together for prayer. Of course, there is a remnant of believers who pray diligently for any number of serious concerns that are a burden of this ministry as well as a remnant of other fine uncompromising churches and ministries that still exist."

"God's word says that all things will be shaken, tried and tested before His return, and we know from scripture that the god of money is one thing that will be purged from the land, ultimately when God pours out His wrath after the Church has been raptured. But, there is nothing to say that that process cannot start now, not as wrath, but as judgment which always starts in the house of God, a house that we well know has been infiltrated with the worship of mammon."

"I pray that this crisis opens the eyes and breaks the hearts of God's people as well as softens the hearts and opens the ears of the lost to receive the gospel, repent and give their lives to Christ."

"May those of us who have long expected these events to come about be prepared to be those with insight and understanding among the people and lead many to righteousness in their time of greatest need."

BE/\LERT!
Scott Brisk

Proverbs 16:16
How much better it is to get wisdom than gold!
And to get understanding is to be chosen above silver.

Daniel 11:33-35
"Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days. "Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy. "Some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge and make them pure until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.

Daniel 12:3
"Those who have insight will shine brightly like the brightness of the expanse of heaven, and those who lead the many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever.

Daniel 12:10
"Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.

James 5:3
Your gold and your silver have rusted; and their rust will be a witness against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.

Revelation 18:17a
for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!'...

In Crisis, Wall Street turns to Prayer

Alf Cengia said...

Well prayed, Nate,

"I"

Late Night Lisa said...

This is it. My brain is fried for one day. (Jim G-Great article about the VP's.**I didn't know how it worked.)
How RFID Tags Could Be Used to Track Unsuspecting People

Real ID: Connecting the Dots to an International ID

Shalom in Christ Jesus,

"Some people respond as "put off" when I choose a picture such as the one to the right. Maybe it appears too "tabloid", "in your face", or too disturbing, however, the point is this is exactly what scripture warns us WILL happen and the groundwork is happening before us at an ever accelerating pace for those who have eyes to see. We can debate on just what exactly the mark of the beast will actually turn out to be (there is obviously a spiritual dimension but I would not doubt that the final outcome would be something of a bio-technical nature) but we should not debate nor hide from the fact that it is coming upon the world. The enemy has done a tremendous job of using warped and fringe elements to discredit the real issue as he has done with most of Biblical prophecy. Let us wake up to these facts and follow the sound wisdom and knowledge of scripture rather than what pop-culture spirituality determines as acceptable.

This collection of articles focuses on the furious pace on which governing powers are trying to remove freedoms and implement a complete system of monitoring and tracking of all people, places and things based on fighting terrorism and insuring security.

The first article by Rep. Sam E. Rohreris of Pennsylvania gives one a detailed and comprehensive overview of the extreme danger we face if the US Government implements the REAL ID system that will remove any remaining privacy and freedom we have living in The United States and ultimately this world. The path has indeed already being paved to the mark of the beast through laws pushed through based on manufactured and marketed fear and much of what has occurred just over this past week in the US and world financial markets is surely being exploited in some way for this ultimate goal.

I plead with those of you out there not to buy into the LIE that giving up freedom can somehow increase ones security. This is the lie sold to the American and British publics just as the lie of giving up land for peace is marketed and sold to many Jews in Israel and abroad.

Do not trust in the governments of this world as they are all headed for complete destruction by the Rock cut without human hands."

BE/\LERT!
Scott Brisk

1 Kings 10:14-15
Now the weight of gold which came in to Solomon in one year was 666 talents of gold, besides that from the traders and the wares of the merchants and all the kings of the Arabs and the governors of the country.

1 Kings 10:18-20
Moreover, the king made a great throne of ivory and overlaid it with refined gold. There were six steps to the throne and a round top to the throne at its rear, and arms on each side of the seat, and two lions standing beside the arms. Twelve lions were standing there on the six steps on the one side and on the other; nothing like it was made for any other kingdom.

Daniel 3:1
Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, the height of which was sixty cubits and its width six cubits; he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.

Daniel 11:37-39
"He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all. "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures. "He will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god; he will give great honor to those who acknowledge him and will cause them to rule over the many, and will parcel out land for a price.

Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name

Late Night Lisa said...

This is the READ ID LINK that should have gone w/that article."Under REAL ID biometric facial recognition technology, you become a number literally worn on your face - a number which is read by computer, tracked by surveillance camera, and distributed worldwide."

I had done that Child ID card in which you have your child's picture on & ht/wt. You take their fingerprints & have a hair sample but it's kept @ home.

At my Daughter's Christian school a "New Biometric Fingerprinting & DNA Identification Kit " is being promoted by John Walsh from "America's Most Wanted."

Free-an FBI Certified 10 Diget Biometric Fingerprint profile.

campsmore said...

page 5 of pdf;English version of Sarkozy's speech

Sarkozy calls for world financial overhaul

Solar Wind Loses Power, Hits 50-year Low

Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space

Financial Collapse and Destructive War


OPEC could bail out Russia


Russia may launch nuclear cooperation with Venezuela: Putin

Middle East peace talks could be completed within a year, Israel tells UN debate

Mid-East Quartet has lost grip


Israel on high alert for mass-casualty strikes


Netanyahu: Israeli blood wasn't spilt so Hamas could move into Jerusalem

NATO to exercise counter-terrorism technology in Italy

Ahmadinejad: Iran to launch satellite carrier rocket into space

EU warns Iran close to nuclear arms capacity

Ahmadinejad: Blame the Zionists for World Problems

Ahmadinejad: Iran must control nuclear fuel

Peres: U.S. has no choice but to save world from Ahmadinejad

Peres to Ban: Don't let Ahmadinejad speak again at the UN


Report: Bush denied Israeli request to attack Iran


US asks IAEA for full Syria report

Kuwaiti paper: Hizbullah chemical weapon leak caused disease in Lebanon

Pentagon Says Pakistan Fired on U.S. Aircraft, Expects Explanation

N.Korea ousts U.N. monitors, to restart atom bomb plant

Why did he embrace Ahmadinejad

Evangelical group slams Mennonite, Quaker leaders for courting Ahmadinejad

Bill would boot U.N. from U.S

The Golden Report: God's Will, not ours, will be done

Marge said...

Determined Time, by Charles Capps:

The scripture in Daniel 9:24 revealed that God would deal with Israel in a time frame as "determined time" of seventy weeks of years (490 years) That time was determined by God Himself.

To understand "determined time" we have only but to consider a football game. It is divided into four, fifteen-minute quarters. The total determined time being one hour, but there has never been a football game played in one hour of real time. There are time-outs, there are delays of the game in which the clock is stopped for an indefinite period of time. Then the clock is turned on again and determined time begins to be counted.

We must realize that our calculations of the calendar of time does not fit God's "determined time." Only time itself will reveal the whole truth concerning this matter. But yet we must not take lightly the prophetic profiles in the Word of God which give us a deffinate determined timeline for God's dealing with mankind.

End of comments in booklet, and this is only a portion of it. (booklet)
It does give you something to think about though, doesn't it?

jim.carroll said...

Lisa, Shalom! I agree -- your dream isn't prophetic, but it does indicate your present state-of-mind. You're looking out a window, trying to see what's coming. It is dark both outside as well as inside; no light save what penetrates the darkness all around. And while the window in front of you is clear it is covered on either side by red (blood red?) curtains, framing your vision. Through the window in the sky you see an object, "looked like the moon but it appeared diseased ... Black rotted spots on it-like cavities on a tooth." In other words, nature itself has been corrupted. The moon, which normally would be both easily recognizable and providing friendly light at night (aren't full moons on the horizon supposed to be romantic?), has been corrupted to the point where you cannot recognize it. That doesn't bode well for the light that it will be providing against the darkness. And perhaps most significant of all, it appears in the bottom left corner of the window. This means two things. First, it's at the bottom of the window, meaning it's only beginning to rise. And second, it's coming from the left. The word for "left" in Latin is "sinister." In other words, a sinister moon is rising.

Regarding your frustration and restlessness with "Apples of Gold", no, I wouldn't say you are too restless. I'd say you aren't restless enough. It would be one thing if the ministers would be preaching about the time to come. Then something like this would provide balance and perspective. But if they're worried that the fire and brimstone would burn the cakes, then they're not baking the right kind of cakes.

How about this: At your next "Apples of Gold" meeting, start it off by walking boldly into their presence and blowing your shofar. At least this way you can give them the opportunity to know, you would have fulfilled your Scriptural obligation, and their sin will not become yours.

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donna said...

Just checking in...

Mike its great to see you :)
I was thinking...with all this talk about the rapture and Rosh Hashana and all of that....what about the confirmation of a peace treaty?

Isn't that what kicks off the 7 yr trib?

Maranatha!

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Alf Cengia said...

"Isn't that what kicks off the 7 yr trib?"

Donna; without intending to be controversial, some propose that the treaty has already been signed by Solana ie the European Neighborhood Policy. Therefore, we are already in Daniel's 70th week.

Personally, I don't believe that. I'm still very partial to Doug Berner's scenario.

PS A lovely young lady has just sent me Joel's books. So, pretty soon, I'm really going to be in the loop.

Marge said...

Well, since you all asked, here's some more from Charles Capps :)

An overall view of the prophetic Word reveals 6,000 years of "determined time" will finish God's dealing with man under the Earth Lease He established in Genesis 1:26-28 (also see Mark 12: 1-9) Soon after the Earth Lease expires, the Rapture will take place. Then the seven years of suspended time (70th week of Daniel) called the tribulation will begin. That seven years will fit between the sixth and seventh millennium on God's calendar. Then there will be one more 1,000 year period in which the righteous of the earth will rule and reign with Christ here on earth before eternity. (see revelation chapters 19 and 20)

Every prophetic time line from Genesis to Revelation points to 6,000 years of "determined time" before the the seven years of tribulation and then 1,000 years of peace before eternity.

Anyhow, this sums up the teaching, in capsule form. And I thought perhaps you'd like to read it.

Marge said...

Mac,
I don't believe we're in the 70th week of Daniel yet, either.

However, I'm using the Earth Lease as my guideline. (per Charles Capps teaching. Kenneth E. Hagin also believed this, as well)

Jim G. said...

That Mark Blitz video and related info got me thinking and digging. I’m coming from a pre-wrath perspective (though I certainly would welcome the Lord calling us up anytime our Father chooses). Having said that, I think many of these observations would fit well with other views of when we will be “caught up” in the air. (I apologize if others have already pointed these things out.)

The ten days starting with Rosh Hashanah and ending with Yom Kippur are commonly known as the Days of Awe (Yamim Noraim) or the Days of Repentance.
http://www.jewfaq.org/holiday3.htm

If the rapture occurs during this time and following the rapture the Lord begins to pour out His wrath, I can certainly see how these would qualify as “Days of Awe” for Jews as well as the whole world.

The Shabbat that falls between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur is known as Shabbat Shuva (Shabbat of Returning).
http://www.hebcal.com/holidays/shabbat-shuva.html

For Jews who have not yet recognized Yeshua as their Messiah, I can see how this Shabbat Shuva would become a real day of repentance and returning to Him.

Shabbat Shuvah literally means "Sabbath of Return," but it is also a play on the phrase "Shabbat Teshuvah" (Sabbath of Repentance). It is the Shabbat that occurs between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and is a time for reflection leading up to the atonement of Yom Kippur. Shabbat Shuvah has two special haftarah readings, one dealing with the importance of heartfelt repentance (Hosea 14:2-10) and one praising the Creator's mercy (Micah 7:18-20).
http://www.jewfaq.org/special.htm

Rosh Hashanah commemorates the creation of man…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 2 Cor. 5:17 (NIV)

The Mishnah, the core text of Judaism's oral Torah, contains the first known reference to Rosh Hashana as the "day of judgment." In the Talmud tractate on Rosh Hashanah it states that three books of account are opened on Rosh Hashanah , wherein the fate of the wicked, the righteous, and those of an intermediate class are recorded. The names of the righteous are immediately inscribed in the book of life, and they are sealed "to live." The middle class are allowed a respite of ten days, until Yom Kippur, to repent and become righteous; the wicked are "blotted out of the book of the living."

Rosh Hashanah is observed as a day of rest (Leviticus 23:24) and the activities prohibited on Shabbat are also prohibited on Rosh Hashanah. Rosh Hashanah is characterized by the blowing of the shofar, a trumpet made from a ram's horn, intended to awaken the listener from his or her "slumber" and alert them to the coming judgment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah

51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.
1 Cor. 15:51-53 (NIV)


Parallels or common themes between the Days of Awe and the rapture that I see:
Trumpets (Shofar)
Creation of man / made new in Christ / receive new incorruptible body /
Intended to awaken the listener (particularly Jews) from spiritual slumber and alert them to coming judgment
Start of God’s judgment
Book of life

From Mark Blitz info:
Sabbatical Year 2014-2015
Begins Sept. 25, 2014
Ends Sept. 13, 2015

Did you know that September 13, 2015 is a Sunday (Resurrection Day).
It’s also the 1st day of the week. If He returns on a Sunday, our 1st day in heaven with the Lord will also be on the 1st day of the week.

As Mark Blitz has already pointed out, it’s also Tishrei 1(Rosh Hashanah) as well as a day in which there will be a total solar eclipse.

I’m not sure when exactly He will return but it sure looks like He’s left us plenty of clues that it will be soon!

Jim G. said...

Perry Stone -- Rapture is on Rosh HaShanah Pt 2

The following was an interesting (insightful IMO) comment posted below the video by a poster who goes by the name skydiver626:

Interesting that he quoted the II Thess 2:1 gathering. If you read that entire chapter you realize that the gathering happens on the day of Christ or the day of the Lord. We also know that the day of the Lord is AFTER the tribulation. Christ in Matt 24 states that after the trib will the sun, moon and stars be darkened. Joel 2:31 tells us that these same celestial anomalies will happen BEFORE the DOTL. So the "rapture" will occur after the great trib and on the day of the Lord.

Alf Cengia said...

I don’t think 2 Thes 2 is as simple as that poster might think. Is the Day of the Lord really the same as the rapture? What is Paul really saying and why does he feel the need to correct the Thessalonians?

Paul Feinberg on 2 Thes 2

Constable on 2 Thes 2

Beechick on 2 Thes 2

A more controversial view:

Northrup on 2 Thes 2

Regarding the cosmic signs before the DotL – I think the cosmic signs of the 6th seal are different to Joel 3. The Joel 3 signs occur before the DotL and IMO the verses point to the 6th bowl judgment. Armies are gathering in Joel 3 and Rev 16 before the Day of the Lord or great day of God. Are they the same thing?

Joe 3:14-15 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon grow dark And the stars lose their brightness.

Rev 16:12-14 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east. And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

I'd suggest that if the rapture and the DotL were one and the same, then that may mean the rapture doesn't occur until the end of the week or after the 6th bowl.

lightshine said...

'I' praying with you

Jamie

Grace said...

Just wanted to let you know that they removed baby Kaitlynn's breathing tube yesterday and she is doing really well.

The neurosurgeon is checking her again today to evaluate the need of a shunt. Please pray that she will not have to have one!

Jennifer really needs your prayers. She has not been able to sleep and is totally exhausted. They are releasing her today but she will be staying with the baby.

Thank you for praying!

Grace

PS: Alesia, I was reading the Treebeard blog and looking at the pic....and praying. What a kid! What great parents!

Late Night Lisa said...

Jim C.

That's a terrific interpretation to the Moon dream. That sums up very well how I've been generally feeling about things.

So walk in blowing my shofar huh? They might spill their sweet teas & lemonades on the host's upholstery.

But-I'm going to do something. I'm friendly with the head organizer of the group. Maybe we can spend some time discussing the Laodicean topic rather than family & home economics. Or possibly that can be tied in somehow.

You all might enjoy the Homeward Bound blog. Michael Boldea has just started one. He's the grandson of Dumitru Duduman,who was gifted w/visions & dreams.

HAROLD-come back-we need you!

Lisa

Great Grany 5 said...

You think we have a diversive opinion on the rapture, try putting The Day of the Lord into your Google search engine and see what you get.

This is the copied results of my search and I am still referencing material to read at a later date.

Results 1 - 10 of about 11,800,000 for The Day of the Lord. (0.33 seconds)

It only took Google 0.33 seconds to produce 11,800,000 different web sites with the topic stated. Most of those sites are directing the entire comment/article to just that. I would say that the devil has been very productive in dividing the church just by the volume of diverging opinions. Some one is lying but who?

Marge said...

Grany,
Lying, or just terribly confused?

God made promises to Israel, and also to the Church.
Then the Bible says, we see thru a glass darkly-concerning future events.
It's no wonder there are so many views about the End Times.
I believe we are to major on the majors. And be about the End Time Harvest of souls, for the Kingdom of God.
And continue to study to scriptures, on prophecy, as well.

Good studying, and keep smiling!

Late Night Lisa said...

70th week started or Not? It can't hurt to look @ what the prophets are seeing. The Dream of Oct 2007

Nate & that "Final Trumpet" video. It did ring a bell that war is coming upon Israel & probably us.The only difference is that Israel is promised divine protection and we are not. This Russia w/Venezuela friendship shatters the US feelings of security. They cruise their warships along our coast-good bye.

Maybe this Rosh Hashanah will signify the breaking of the 1st seal. It seems as if the chess pieces are in position to strike but the hand has not yet moved.

1. White Horse-Conquer
2. Red Horse-Peace from Earth
3. Black Horse-Economic Collapse
4. Pale Horse-1/4 of the earth pillaged & ruined.

These all corresponde w/seals but that's the end of the "Horses." There is a 5th,6th,& 7th seal but they are not brought about by the "horses."

(Remember-this strikes me as peculiar because I love horses)

Now I wonder if after the "Horses" ride is when the Anti-Christ has the power to arise.Then he finializes the Temple Mount unified religious order. At this point there will be very little fight left in people and they will be desperate for peace & willing to compromise everything to obtain it.

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Great Grany 5 said...

Marge, i think I will just go out and howl at the moon and see what that will bring.

When we were in Israel, our very precious Guide told us that there is an old custom in Israel among the Jews related to blowing the Shofar. If you pick up the horn, purse it to your lips and all you get is squeak or nothing, then you are not one chosen to sound the alarm/signal. We had 12 buses and on each bus there were 52 people in addition to the driver and guide. Out of the 620 tourist, there were on 2 that could make anything that even sounded like a sound emit from the horn. One of those two was a young man that could make it sound heavenly and our guide was ready to weep. That young man had such anointing on him that just blowing it made him weep. After we were back at our hotel, our guide, who was also a devote Jew asked Lee what he did for a living and this youngman, who resides here in my town, said he was unemployed by man but the servant of the Lord. Our guide's last name was Levni, was born in Germany and his parents were killed in the Holocaust of Hitler. He escaped to England because he just a child and after the war was one of the first ones back into Israel. We were just about the same age and hearing him talk about that era was one of the most thrilling experiences I have ever had. He told it from a perspective of having been there, breathing the fear and suspense of all the drama and the heart break of war.

But, back to the reason I am telling this. Samuel did not believe that the rapture of the church will have anything to do with Rosh Hashanah and that is why I asked you all the question "what God appointed feast does the Rapture of the Church fulfill?"

Think outside the box! I agree with Samuel and JIB and Marge. The Jews are the ones God is addressing. We are of a different Bird! We are the mystery and we are what is holding back the AC and until we are gone, he isn't. Evil has been on this earth from the Garden onward and it will be until Jesus said, "That's enough and you are going to the pit forever!" But until then, we better get busy and learn how to hold back! Hold Back the evil that is and turn God's promises and provisions loose. Binding and loosening.

I already know what the RCC believes concerning this but I am not the RCC. I am not required to go through the Great Tribulation, wrath or see the eye witnesses as they call down fire from heaven and have complete and total control over the AC's action regarding them. I will get to watch from heaven though.

Anyone want to come along with me?

Grany

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Late Night Lisa said...

This is a funny story.

I have a photographer friend Elle who's flying out here to teach some photo workshops & he is staying w/us for a week.

He's kinda crazy but in a good way. Never married, never settled. Always looking for the next adventure & prides himself on being "international." His parents are from & still live in the Philippines. He's the one I mentioned that is thinking about turning Buddhist.

Money is not his big thing. He's artistic and likes to hang out w/his friends from all countries & travel whenever he can.

Now he is the complete opposite personality type of my husband but is tolerated for my sake.

Get this. Hubby is going to leave Sunday for a week. Elle tells me he'll be here (Over Rosh Hashanah) so I figure he was sent from my adversary to distract me. **But I'm determined to carry on w/my shofar whether he's here or not.

Elle had put an add out on Craigslist for work in Nashville because he's always wanted to visit. So he get's his plane fare paid, some work to do & has met a couple of people who will take some time out & show him around town.

One of these people happens to be a famous investigator "Norma Tillman." What's her specialty?
"LOCATING FAMILY MEMBERS". Is that the funniest thing you've ever heard?

I just realized the implication while I was cleaning the bathrooms today. What if this Rosh Hashanah was the date Jesus comes back for the Church & Elle is here w/his new contact? (His other contact is a female massage therapist who's
an inspector for the State of Tennessee.)

"A famous private investigator named Norma Tillman offered to
show me around Nashville. She is 70and once married to a famous Russian hollywood actor. This woman was on Oprah, Sally Jesse Raphael,and the View."

I don't know if Norma is a Christain or not but my "creative mind" can sure get the best of me. The thought of it is so funny I can barely stand it.

Here is Norma Tillman

This is her response back to him:

Yes, I am a nocturnal creature.....too many years on all night surveillances.

"In 1995 I was on Oprah with my new book "How To Find Almost Anyone, Anywhere" and I provided the show with seven people to reunite. The reunions were awesome, Oprah got very high ratings and re-ran the show during sweeps three more times that year. My book sold like crazy and lasted in bookstores about five years. My publisher offered me another contract, and every other talk show wanted me to provide them reunions. So the book and I received tons of publicity and lots of books were sold. After Oprah, I bounced from New York to Los Angeles a couple of times each month doing shows. In 1998 I was on The View, and in April of 2008 I was on The Nancy Grace Show. So I've been around a long time and have a proven track record."

"My background was with law enforcement. I attended the police academy and studied criminal law and many other things that prepared me for police work and that's where I learned to track down criminals, but after eleven years I "burnt out". Eventually attorneys began calling for me to find witnesses and heirs, and in 1987 I obtained a license to become a private investigator and have done this for over twenty years. I have traveled all over the country and have worked on every type of case imaginable, but what I enjoy most is helping someone find their mother, father, or siblings and reuniting families, or finding a missing heir to give them money. I just worked a case for some entertainment attorneys who needed me to find a witness for them. My life is seldom dull, boring, or routine. I love adventure and challenge."

" While with the police department movies would use me as an extra. My daughter is a model and works with a local talent agency. One day I dropped in to see her and the manager said she was always getting calls for women with silver hair and asked me to get a headshot. I am currently appearing in a nationwide infomercial with Glen Campbell for Time Warner's "Country Romance Music". I am AFTRA and so am limited to what movies or shows I can work with."

"As for my web site, in 1994 I began reunion.com and had an online interactive database with message boards for missing persons. When I was on TV I mentioned the web site and received an average of 10,000 hits daily from 12 countries. Then I sold the domain name and wanted to start over with Get-In-Touch.com. My database was being hosted on a server in New Jersey that crashed and lost all my information. I have a backup copy in a FoxPro database but have not found a programmer who can either import the data or create a new database for me. It seems no one uses FoxPro. I don't know if you know how to set that up or not, but if not I will find someone to do that. I would like to get the message boards up and running again. I might even want to produce a reality based reunion show using the people from the database. The travel channel academy is offering classes for people to train to produce a travel show. I would like to produce a combination of a travel show that features things to do or see in various cities combined with meeting interesting people who want to find a long lost relative or old friend and have surprise reunions...."

****Anyway-regardless of when the rapture takes place I bet a lady like her would sure get overloaded!

Marge said...

Grany,
Me! Me! I want to go with you!

What time would you like to outside and howl? I'll join you, and we'll see which one the cops pick up first, LOL!

It's just a JOKE! Nothing to take offense at, okay? God has a sense of humor, or we wouldn't have one :)

Enjoy the day! And God bless!

campsmore said...

Meet you on the way up, dance instructor!

TexanForChrist said...

When is the Rapture? I'm just praying for sooon...

Maranatha

Mike

campsmore said...

soon and very soon

Marge said...

It's a secret, known only to God :)

Alf Cengia said...

Perhaps when we least expect it.

Great Grany 5 said...

Marge, don't worry about the cops! In this town they are too busy drinking coffee with the dope dealers to do any real crank call responses. We are clear on that one!

As far as the time, well, it will have to be after I get hubby sound asleep (knock out drops help tremendously) and also, I have to feed the cat, shut the gate on the neighbors dogs and spray us down with bug spray. How about 10 p.m.?

Lori is coming with us too and she can teach us both the newest break dancing, OK Lori?

But not tonight! I just have to see what outstanding things are going to be exchanged during the debate tonight. I want to see how high in the air Obama can get his nose as he speaks and how Pontifical he can look. I am also going to be listening real close to see just how he can justify increase taxes and all of that junk. I don't know about you all, but this gal would like to ask him some really hard, common sense question.

There was a poll question recently on one of the blogs I visit and they asked this:

When former president and Mrs. Clinton go to the polls in November, who do you think they will vote for? I said "McCain" because they aren't dumb either.

Grany

campsmore said...

UN to hold session on settlements

'Laissez-faire' capitalism is finished, says France "...US is no longer a superpower."

U.S., Russia Agree on U.N. Resolution on Iran Nuclear Program

Czechs say Russian spies stir against U.S. base

Somalia's pirates seize a freighter with 33 Russian tanks and substantial ammunition aboard

Russia warship heads to Africa after pirate attack

Russia orders upgrade of its nuclear deterrent

Russia loans Venesuela $1 billion for military
"...Russia has sought to expand its military footprint in recent years, inching closer and closer to American shores. Russian bombers have flown sorties close to Alaska and its naval vessels have been pushing deeper into the Atlantic. Latin America, and Venezuela in particular, has become has become a major theater for this expansion."

Venezuela signs Chinese oil deal

Russia to build missile defence shield and renew nuclear deterrence

Does Solana offers friendship to last dictator in Europe

Quartet statement; meaningful and results- oriented' peace process

Samaria Head Says 'Leave Us Alone' as UN Debates Jewish Growth

Peres on Ahmedinajad: "A Disgrace to Islam and UN"

Pakistan to US after clash: Stay away from border

Israel and Azerbaijan close multi-million dollar arms deal

Late Night Lisa said...

You might like these titles to his next conference-some were cute:

Message Titles by Perry Stone:

Moving God and Binding Satan by the Blood Covenant -The Spiritual Authority Released by the Covenant.(I think this is what Grany is speaking about.)

Has America Prophetically Entered It's Fullness of Time? - What the Ancient Patterns are revealing About America's Future.

Enduring the Third Trimester Pre-
Tribulation Birth Pains - If You
Can Take It You Can Make It. (I liked this one (:)

Releasing the Will of God Through the Tongues of Men and Angels -
The Physical, Emotional and Spiritual Benefits of Praying in the Spirit.

The Donkey is Limping and the
Elephant Snoring and They Won't Get Up - The Keys to Get America Out of the Political Mess She Is In!

*And the most humorous part of my day is that I now get to meet the famous Private Investigator sooner than anticipated. Like right now.

Communicating via Email -Norma Tillman was surprised that "Elle" was a guy-she thought the entire time she was speaking with a girl.
I don't blame her-I would also presume Elle is a female name. Anyway-the original person flaked out on him to pick him up from the airport so he called Norma. Now I'm going to meet her 1/2 way to retrieve Elle.

Oi Veh!

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Great Grany 5 said...

Nate, you are right up to a point. Let me explain. There is no difference now between Jew and Gentile because the message of Jesus Christ (the Gospel) is to the Jew first and then to the gentile. But, the Jews who are not accepting Jesus as the Messiah are going right on celebrating the OT Laws and observances. Of course, the Jews were commanded to observe them until God's Kingdom was established but no where in the new Testament are the Gentiles instructed to do so. In fact, Paul's whole ministry was a constant battle ground with the Jews who kept coming in and causing strife, trying to make the Gentiles carry out the same observances and laws that the Jews were. In fact, the trip to Jerusalem and the council there, was to get a firm decision from the Church leaders regarding this.

We are a branch grafted into the vine and just the same as we are not of the circumcision we are not of the Jewish Festivals. We can love them and respect them and watch from the side lines but we are not Jews. Unless you were born of Jewish parents. But the whole reason for the Tribulation is judgment for rebellion and turning away from the Son of God sent to be the Son of Man. That rebellion was against God and also, the refusal to carry out the Law that he had given to them as His Wife. What all of this is doing is clouding the simple fact that God said "Choose you this day life or death, blessings or curses, etc." That was in Deut. and that is part of the covenant that the wife Israel has with her husband, God. We are the Body of Christ because of our beliefs in Jesus Christ. What the blood of goats and lambs could not fulfill, Jesus Christ did. He sent Jesus to the Jews first and the religious group denied him and completed the purpose that God sent Jesus for. Jesus died for the sins of all mankind but he was sent as their Messiah.

We are talking about a Feast that will be fulfilled when the Jews call out to Jesus and they will voice this "Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord....." Jesus Christ will return then and they will indeed Succot with Him. Tabernacle with them.

But the Feasts are Jewish and not Gentile. We are all of the same vine but we are still Believers of the Son of God who is our Savior and Lord. We celebrate Easter and they celebrate Passover because it is their Feast that God ordained for them. Our celebration is the climax of their Passover, The Resurrection of Jesus, Son of God.

Pentecost was the outpouring and even in this occasion there is disagreement when the Church began. Some say it's birth was when Jesus Commissioned the Disciples and Anointed them to carry out the work that he had begun. Others say it was on Pentecost when the Holy Spirit breathed on all of the believers who were gathered in the Upper room. One day we will all know but we do know that it was instituted by and ordained by the Son of God.

When this Church Age is completed, the attention will then be focused on the Apples of God's eye and the Gentiles that remain. Rebellion will be dealt with and man's sin nature will get one last chance to be played out. Judgment does not come unless there is sin without repentance. It will the Jews who cry out for God to save them and I don't plan on being here to cry for them and see it happen.

There is some very good teaching about all of this at Dr. Fruchtenbaum's web site and if you would like to, you can download his teachings quite easily. But Nate, I didn't start believing this just in the last couple of years. No, this has been since about 1965 and changed my life forever. I had the opportunity to have a wonderful Messianic friend who was also a great Bible teacher.

I am not belittling the shofar because it is a wonderful time of Jewish Feasts. It is good to remember the things that God called to the Israelites to do in remembrance of what he has accomplished for them. It is required that we understand what the Feasts and customs are of the Jewish people and infact, enrich our life greatly. I am not belittling any of that. I am just saying, don't get carried away with it. I also don't mean to rain on anyone's parade and if I have, please know that I am truly sorry.

Jesus told us to divide the Word of God rightly and the tendency of a lot of believers is to throw it all together and say well, this is for me when indeed it was written for the Jews. I am very aware that a lot of the ministries that we see everyday or at least on Sunday, believe that all of the promises in the Bible belong to all of us. One of the reasons the book of Revelations, Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel are the center of so much anger and disputings is because people have used the wrong measuring stick on who was it speaking to, what was the reason and where was it to take place. What time period isn't always easy to understand but we cannot go on assuming that we are the center of the whole Bible when indeed we are not.

I know I haven't explained my thoughts on this as well as I wanted to but I also didn't want to write a book on it at this time.

Grany

Great Grany 5 said...

I goofed on what I had intended to say:

"When this Church Age is completed, the attention will then be focused on the Apples of God's eye and the Gentiles that remain."

I meant to say "the attention will then be focused on the Apples of God's eye and Gentiles that remain will be dwelt with until the Age of the Gentiles is completed."

Nate, I love you too and it is good that brothers and sister and old grannies can come together and share God's love.

Grany

Jim G. said...

It's scary when law enforcement takes sides and resorts to intimidation in a presidential election. I didn't think liberals believed in absolute truth.

Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign.

Late Night Lisa said...

FYI-On that link I posted w/my old Pastor interviewing Mark Blitz-he asked that very question. If it was OK for Christians to observe the Jewish feasts. Interesting dialogue if you watch it.

Personally I don't think we should be "bound" by observing the feasts as the Jews do. There is a group who is trying to convert Christians to be like observant Jews. They'll become "closer to God" if they do these things.

I thought the only thing Jesus told us to observe was Holy Communion. "Do this in remembrance of me."

He did not bring up "Christmas" or "Easter" as we have it. These are man made and I'm not amused at the pagan influences. It's celebrated because it's tradition not because it is something Christ told us to do.

I don't think there is any harm in the tradition if we can keep our mind on the real purpose & on Christ. (And some really do) But for most people they just go through the motions. It's really a large part of the machine of mass merchandising in modern times.

Since these "Christian" holidays are not mandated by God but rather adopted by men-we are free to worship & celebrate without being bound up by any specific requirements. So if someone wants to celebrate a Jewish Feast with a Christian mindset I don't see any issue with that. As long as they don't think they are required to do so & under the law which Jesus freed us from.

I think that's Grany's main point. Jesus would not be happy with us if we returned back to the old ways like the Jews who rejected Him have.

On the other hand gentile Christians have come so far removed from the Jewish traditions that the Jews don't even recognize Jesus as one of their own. He appears foreign to them & that is part of what Mark Blitz was explaining in that interview.

So I think since our Christian traditions were man made to begin with we can start another Reformation and re-make them with no pagan influences & as Biblical as possible.

Now-I'm prepared to be stoned! Ha! You can't reach me through the computer.

Maranatha!

Great Grany 5 said...

Lisa, exactly! My point in posting that is quite simple. It is faith in God and obedience to his word that moves Him. Our worship and praise, he greatly desires. The purpose of my remarks is to remind us that we are the Goyim that are brought in by grafting us into the vine. I love the Jewish Feasts because it reminds me over and over again just how far God will go to reach out to his People. I know that our salvation is precious in God's eyes and is a jewel of great value. But his book isn't finished until he deals directly with the Jewish people and accomplishes their restitution as his Wife.

I love the Jewish people and have spent many, many hours praying for them. My heart cry is for their awakening and soon! You see, most of the Jewish people living in Israel at the times I was actively going there, were not praising and worshiping God. They were observing the Sabbath purely out of custom and tradition. They go to the wailing wall, celebrate all of the Feasts but it is not in a relationship manner. They are, right now in the first phase of being brought back to the Promised Land where they are without faith in God like Abraham or Moses, Elijah and Elisha, the list goes on. The main thing, now, that caused the rift between God and his Wife was the Holocaust.

Right now they are in the pitiful plight of unbelief and will be until they cry out Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.

My prayers for September 29, 30th is quite simple. I pray for the renewing of their hearts to the fellowship and worship between God and His people.

Everyone, have a wonderful and glorious day in the Lord and remember,

Shalom
Grany

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Great Grany 5 said...

Nate, we have no disagreement as far as I am concerned. I too, keep my eyes and ears tuned to Israel and know that they are the signal that we are all waiting for. My only concern is for those who pass by silently and pay close attention to what we are saying and sharing. I am excited about the Fall Feasts also because I know that we are just that much closer to the shout than we were last year.

We are not in disagreement Nate. And I love you and cherish your great desire and service to the Lord.

Shalom

Late Night Lisa said...

Bailout deal breaks down; Paulson back to Capitol

Warning="Cutting Edge" article. Read @ your own risk.(Let's see if what it says comes true.)

Here is the article:

"WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican rebellion stalled government efforts Thursday to avoid economic meltdown, a chaotic turnaround that disrupted the choreography of am extraordinary White House meeting meant to show joint resolve from the president, the political parties and the presidential candidates ... An apparent breakthrough was announced with fanfare at midday by key members of Congress from both parties — but not top leaders. Wall Street cautiously showed its pleasure, with the Dow Jones industrials closing 196 points higher."

Let us focus on the "Republican rebellion" which suddenly stalled the plan just as it was about to be finalized.

"Conservatives were in revolt over the astonishing price tag of the proposal and the hand of government that it would place on private markets ... McCain's campaign issued a statement saying, 'the plan that has been put forth by the administration does not enjoy the confidence of the American people as it will not protect the taxpayers and will sacrifice Main Street in favor of Wall Street'. The White House, too, acknowledged there was no deal, only progress."

Now, I see why conservatives rebelled. This is an election year, and conservatives in Congress needed to show their conservative constituents back home that they battled hard to prevent this obvious takeover of the American economy by Fascist interests. Many people believe that no agreement will be reached either Friday or Saturday, producing an economic collapse on Monday, September 29, a date which does produce the occult sacred '11'.

If such a collapse does occur, the resulting disaster will guarantee the death of the Capitalist Economy and the birth of the Fascist Economy. In fact, such a collapse might be the only way the Illuminati can sell this awful plan to the American people. However, we do expect that an agreement will be reached at literally the 11th hour, narrowly averting the disaster. In the preparatory period prior to the appearance of Antichrist, the Illuminati wants a tightly controlled Fascist Economy, not a ruined one.

Democrats control Congress, and so far, Obama has been the beneficiary of the sputtering economy, boosting him over Republican McCain. However, if Democrats in Congress do not get this legislation passed, Republican leaders will blame them for this mess. Political pundits could then point to this blame as the reason Obama does not win the Fall election.

Senator McCain also needs to score points with his Republican backers, which is why he seemingly turned against the Bush White House on this issue, backing a conservative alternative plan which was put forward at the last possible second. This alternative plan was one of the reasons no agreement was reached on Thursday."

Jim G. said...
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Jim G. said...

Evidence that the Lord spilled some paint when He painted the heavens. This image is amazing.

This is the caption provided for this pic by ABC News:
This "ribbon in the sky," captured by the Hubble telescope, is actually a very thin section of a supernova remnant caused by a stellar explosion that occurred more than 1,000 years ago.
(NASA, ESA, and the Hubble Heritage Team)

donna said...

Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People?

Exclusive: Greg Laurie shows what can be learned from studying the life of Job

donna said...

We have some friends up from Canada and LI...but thought I'd pop on a post that last link from Greg Laurie.

Also, the only Fall Feast that Christians are genuine participants, as far as I know, is the Feast of Tabernacles.

jim.carroll said...

Lisa, Shalom! Your dream was on my mind when I got the most recent blog entry from Mark Mallett. Someone had written in to him talking about how he and his wife were feeling a great deal of spiritual oppression in their prayer life. (Anyone else here feeling that besides me?) The letter closed with, "You speak of hope and the victory that is coming in the battle Mark. Do you have any words of encouragement? How long are we going to have to endure and suffer in this world we live in?"

What really got me thinking about your dream was this: Towards the end of the blog, he has this line: As the darkness gets darker, the Stars get brighter. Your dream took place in the dark, a very dark place, inside and out. Yet one thing you mentioned were the great number of stars you could see. Here is what Mark wrote:

Some time ago, the words came to me:

As the darkness gets darker, the Stars get brighter.

We can look at the times we live in as depressing — or as an opportunity to witness. When the world is full of junk food, will souls not eventually begin to look for the real meal? When they have spent themselves on the illusory desires of materialism and unfettered hedonism, will they not, like the prodigal son, seek out the Father’s house? I believe they will and are… and you and I must be there for them as the hands, feet, and mouth of Jesus. As the darkness gets darker, the holiness of your life should become more and more apparent.

Be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine like lights in the world, as you hold on to the word of life... (Phil 2:15-16)

I dare say this is the hour of the greatest evangelization about to sweep the earth. It is the hour of the Church’s glory when she will at once draw into her bosom many thieves crying out, "Remember me when you come into your kingdom..." while at the same time being mocked and persecuted, even from within her own ranks. It is the hour for the Holy Spirit to be poured out upon mankind so that our sons and daughters will prophesy, our young men see visions, and old men dream dreams of a future full of hope.


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Great Grany 5 said...

I hope this copies in here like it was on my card. I loved this one and I want to share it with all of you here because you, too, are a concert to God's great Love.

THE MASTER'S CONCERT
The Concert

When the house lights dimmed and the concert was about to begin, the mother returned to her seat and discovered that the child was missing.

Suddenly, the curtains parted and spotlights focused on the impressive Steinway on stage.

To her horror, the mother saw her little boy sitting at the keyboard,innocently picking out

"Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star."

At that moment, the great piano master made his entrance, quickly moved to the piano, and whispered in the boy's ear,

"Don't quit . . . keep playing."

Then, leaning over , Paderewski reached down with his left hand and began filling in a bass part. Soon his right arm reached around to the other side of the child, and he added a running obbligato.

Together, the old master and the young novice transformed what could have been a frightening situation into a wonderfully creative experience.

The audience was so mesmerized that they couldn't recall what else the great master played.

Only the classic,

" Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star."

Perhaps that's the way it is with God.

What we can accomplish on our own is hardly noteworthy.

We try our best, but the results aren't always graceful flowing music. However, with the hand of the Master, our life's work can truly be beautiful.

The next time you set out to accomplish great feats, listen carefully. You may hear the voice of the Master, whispering in your ear,

"Don't quit . . . Keep playing."

May you feel His arms around you and know that His hands are there, helping you turn your feeble attempts into a true masterpieces.

Remember, God doesn't seem to call the equipped, rather, He equips the 'called.'

Life is more accurately measured by the lives you touch than by the things you acquire. So touch someone by passing this little message along, and remember ,

"Don't quit . . . Keep playing."

Grany

Blood Bought said...

Hey Folks,

A must-see movie that is not 'out of Hollywood' - "Fireproof!" It is FANTASTIC and a POWERFUL witness for family and friends who are unbelievers, young believers, folks with marriages in trouble - even for those of us whose marriages are good! Made me realize how much I love my husband, and how blessed I am to be his wife!

Blessings! (Mary)

Jim G. said...

Mary,

I haven't seen the movie yet but have heard nothing but positive about it. My wife and I are part of a small team that is launching a couple's ministry at our church. We've decided that we will have a Sunday School class for couples and have already decided to use the "Fireproof Your Marriage Curriculum" to kick off this new Sunday School class.

From the Fireproof website:
Fireproof Your Marriage Curriculum
After seeing FIREPROOF, couples will contemplate the state of their relationship. The FIREPROOF Curriculum from Outreach provides the opportunity for couples to work through these important relational issues.

Featuring clips from the movie, this curriculum is ideal for small groups, Sunday school classes, premarital classes, or for couples to do on their own at home. The six-part study challenges couples to look at love as a lifetime commitment.

Study topics include:

Forgiveness
Marriage as a covenant
God-designed differences
Unconditional love

Jim G. said...

Grany,

Thanks for sharing that. EXCELLENT (as usual).

Jim G. said...

Our precious boy Daniel, the little guy in the picture had a pretty serious choking incident this evening. A small rectangular piece of velcro (the hook side part) came off one of his children's books and he found it and put it in his mouth. My wife was sitting at the computer near our kitchen table and looked over to smile at him and noticed he was choking. Of course, she ran to his aid. I heard the commotion and Angie call me all at once. She had him turned over and was patting his back to get whatever was choking him unstuck. I was relieved to see him start throwing up. We could tell he was still struggling somewhat though. Finally he gagged up the stiff, rectangular piece of velcro. I can't imagine how difficult that must have been to get unstuck.

I just want to publicly thank the Lord for helping Daniel through that choking episode tonight. I know He is the Lord's and that Angie and I simply have the priviledge of raising him. For those who have children, you know how precious they are. Daniel is our one and only. We waited 15 years for a child and he came to us through the miracle of adoption. God is good. All the time!

jim.carroll said...

Jim G., I hope you have taken Daniel to the hospital to be looked at. If you haven't, you need to GET IN THE CAR AND TAKE HIM TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM RIGHT AWAY!

Any time you get something lodged in your throat large enough to cause choking, your body is going to react to it. Generally, the reaction is swelling. My dad could (and my brothers can) tell you stories about families rushing to the emergency room late at night because their child had something caught in their throat at dinner; it was dislodged; then when they put the child down to sleep the child would start choking again.

You need to take Daniel to the emergency room or to a critical care unit, explain what happened, and have them make sure Daniel's throat isn't starting to swell shut.

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jim.carroll said...

Correction: by "throat" I meant to say "trachea" or "windpipe."

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Alesia said...

Jim G - PRAISE GOD for sure!
Poor little guy (and mommy & daddy too) must have been terrifying.

When my daughter was about three, she choked on a piece of meat. Like Angie, I turned her over & patted her back & it came out.
Horrible thing then, but very funny now, she started crying hysterically & said to me "mommy, I was choking & you were beating me!!!!"
I was devastated thinking she was going to forever think I was beating her while she was choking!

I can laugh thinking back on that now but, boy, was it traumatic at the time.

Jen said...

Praise God for Daniel's safety, Jim. (And good advice Jim C...I had never thought of that.)
Our Matt had a scary incident this summer at a family member's pool. The other 2 kids were swimming with an adult holding them, but Matt had been playing ball in the sideyard with his cousin. I was talking with other family members at the shallow end of the pool, assuming Matt wasn't going to be near the pool and the other 2 were safely being held by adults, so I wasn't on my usual "Mommy in-public radar". I was shocked to look toward the end of the pool (deep end) and see Matt floundering there. No water wings, no adult with him, just him trying to stay above water. We got to him before he went under and CPR wasn't necessary. But he's now very scared about water (says he doesn't want to "get lost in the pool") so I know he was aware of the danger. I truly believe his angel kept his head above water and turned my head in that direction that day. No one saw him fall in, so we don't know how long it was before we got to him. 2 other things to keep in mind....we later learned that he came over to the pool (he really doesn't enjoy swimming, so I hadn't been thinking he would) to reach for a beachball that was floating in the deep end. He loves to play ball but had no concept of gravity when leaning over to get it. Also, just that day I had heard about dry-drowning. An elem. aged child in Philly had died of it the previous weekend. He had had a similar incident in one of the city pools. He didn't need CPR, just spit up alot of water. He walked home with his mom that afternoon and died that night. Apparently enough water got into his lungs so that when he lay down that night, he drowned. The report said it happens in about 10% of drowning cases. Something to be aware of for anyone who has an incident in the pool.
I can SO share your (and Alesia's) concern and deep, deep thankfulness about our precious little ones being cared for by our heavenly Father. He is good all the time!

Late Night Lisa said...

New Post @ Joel's

Jim G. What a scare! And Velcro even. Praise God!

Jim C. The comments re:the dream & Mike's blog are certainly worth pondering. I love the depth of your thinking!

Last night we flipped on an old Billy Graham crusade. It was in Black and White when he was young & speaking of "Are you converted?"

It would have to rate with the top strongest preaching clips I've ever witnessed. The level of his intensity never waned throughout the entire speech. Even got tears in hubby's eyes(not that hard to do) & he mentioned the gift must have been divine. The entire audience hardly moved a muscle.

Graham was telling his audience how even people who go to Church, sing in the Choir, teach, ect... May NOT have even had a conversion experience. And unless your converted (born again) you will not see the Kingdom of God.

It was just my style. Lay it on the line.

So much so I turned into Billy Graham style in my dream last night (: & I was preaching & telling my friend Elle to repent. The words were flowing out of my mouth faster than I could think of them.
(He still didn't want to face it.) Then I was talking w/other "Christians" and they didn't want to hear anything about prophesy & were shrugging me off.

On a good note I sent that Laodicean link to my Baptist friend here in TN & she did read it. She implied that it had pierced her & she had not read or pondered that scripture before & feels convicted to learn more about it.

***I'm finding my friend Elle was raised Catholic and attended an Adventist College.

Look at Joel Rosenburg's update. Do you sense what I do about the ME and the US?

Is Viki still around? I'm wondering how the job situation for her worked out.

Late Night Lisa said...

Finally a new sunspot

Late Night Lisa said...

*Last link-you have to click on the red sun picture.

Ahmadinejad
This is great: They as if the Jews themselves could "collect people."

He said Zionists in Israel "have forged a regime through collecting people from various parts of the world and bringing them to other people's land, by displacing, detaining and killing the true owners of that land."

jib said...

wow two narrow escapes with kids-God is good.

a good rule of thumb-if they can talk the airway is not obstructed and intervening can cause a complete obstruction. I had to laugh at your comment Alesia, my son has said the same thing to me on at least one occasion and even with my training or perhaps because of it I get a cold feeling in the pit of my stomach. he also gets mad when I tell him to talk to me when he looks like he's choking. if the hand is around the throat however don't bother to ask if they can talk start pounding.

Jen
about that dry drowning. Kinderquilt sent me the article and I went into a near panic (we have a pool at home you see) about that kid and I gleaned several things from me reading of it-
1-dry drowning is very rare and is not what this kid had
2-delayed drowning which is what the young child in phillie had is if memory serves about twice as common
3-the child in question was mentally disabled (a fact not many of the media reported on) and they are at higher risk over kids who are mentally intact

4- signs to watch out for later include irritability, excessive sleepiness and others which I don't remember. the one thing I do remember is that if your child coughs a lot while at the pool-jumps in, starts sputtering, coughing after etc a lot (illdefined term I'm afraid) and it happens repetitively, they may be at risk for delayed drowning.

jib said...

Grany and others
after giving the fall feasts some further consideration I note that

1-the spring feasts were fulfilled consecutively and in the same year as each other. one was not fulfilled and then several years later the rest were fulfilled. I would expect therefore the fall feasts to be fulfilled consecutively and in the same year as well.

2-Prophecies about Christ fall into either the suffering servant or warrior king types as a general rule. the spring feasts represent the First coming of Christ as the suffering servant. The fall feasts therefore should represent the second coming of Christ as the warrior king a la David.

3-the Rapture, depending on one's eschatology, is not the same thing as the second coming but something entirely different.

4-if one looks up what Rosh Hashanah means to the Jewish people I don't see rapture typology at all since it appears to be more about God judging the people of the earth and listing people in the book of life, a middle book (the fence sitters) and the non book of life. a common greeting at this time is to infer that one hopes the other will be sealed at this time in the book of life. truly I got more of a sense of the sheep and goats judgment out of reading the explanation or even the great white throne.

all of which is to say, I would place the fulfillment of the fall feasts at the end of the tribulation at Christ's Second coming with the rapture fulfilling none of them.

Jen said...

Hi JIB,
Quick question...I heard someone mention recently (on the topic of choking) that pounding on the back to dislodge something can actually drive the object further down in. I think it's an immediate instinct to hit the back but I'm wondering what the recommendation is. I've taken a refresher CPR course since the kids were born (last time was in HS), but they didn't touch on that, only how to do the heimlich.
And yes, I do think I remember hearing that the boy in Philly was slower mentally and it was his first time in the pool. The symptoms to watch for were vague because they could also be attributed to a child being really tired after a day of outdoor play....being overly tired, cranky, less attentive than usual. That's the regular scene around here after we get home from preschool! So it would be hard to notice for sure if there was something going on to be concerned about.

Mac, I linked your blog via email to my husband so he could read the Aug 29th post. I found it very helpful and thought it would be something for him to read as we had just been discussing a similar topic. He said that he did find it helpful as well. He's slowly coming around to discussions about end times and facing the reality of what is going on in the world. We've had a few good discussions lately and he isn't giving me that raised-eyebrow look as much anymore. Just wanted to let you know that was very helpful.

Blessings,
Jen

Late Night Lisa said...

Jen,

Praise the Lord for your Hubby! The Holy Spirit may have convicted his heart on the subject.

I almost thought this TN pastor today was going to speak about something on End Times. I may have gone into shock if he did.

He did speak of knowing the times & seasons & being Bible literate in such things. Slightly mentioned Russia, Israel, and the ME but no detail what-so-ever. Mentioned the great falling away & Apostasy.

The stress was upon our relationship with Christ in all things & especially now in our current economy situation so that we are at peace & rest in order that others may come to Christ by witnessing our calm in the midst of the storms ahead. Also taking this opportunity to tell others about our hope in Jesus & how to be saved.

So no sudden shock for me today. I wonder what it would take for this pastor to go into any type of End Time detail. I think he's afraid to be considered "an alarmist."

(Maybe when the Anti-Christ defiles the temple. Then maybe he'll get into it.)

BTW-I did write a note today for the suggestion box about the leaven Communion bread after
hubby reminded me about it.

Jim G. said...

Lisa,

You wrote:
Look at Joel Rosenburg's update. Do you sense what I do about the ME and the US?

I don't know. What do you sense?

Jim G. said...

By the way. Daniel is doing just fine today! Too much energy if anything. He was running around the large foyer area at church and I could hardly keep up with him.

He's only two. Please tell me it get's easier from here on out;-)
Never mind. I don't care how hard it gets. He's TOTALLY worth it!!!

Great Grany 5 said...

JIB, I couldn't agree more. You are right about the Lamb and the King seasons and according to the old testament, we have been given a time of grace for just a certain length of time. God is not confined by time elements, his requirement is the only one that really matters to the Church Age, in which we are now living. When the Church Age is completed and the very last soul is brought into the Blood Covenant, the rapture will happen and we will be out of here. If it should fall prior to the Fall Festivals that is wonderful but I am not of that mind set. I am more of the mind set of one last festival that is related to the Lamb that was slain and the celebration that takes place after Pentecost.

I want you all to know, I don't really spend a lot of time trying to pinpoint the exact time of the rapture. I can know how close we are by the situation in Israel and all of those lands that directly are foretold in the scriptures. The scriptures will tell us what follows the time we are living in. When God is finished dealing with the church age, then he will address the Apples.

Somewhere there is great big hand (seemingly) placed in my mind that has kept me from really digesting what happens during the trying and testing of the Apples of God's eye. I have always had this "it isn't for the church age" thing in my heart and mind. It isn't something that I have tried to keep up or that I have really done any worrying about. It just isn't for us. My prayers and desires are for the People that God calls his chosen ones. Our prayers are needed for them greatly because they have much facing them.

Do you suppose the prayers that we offer up to Abba now will be let out of the vial that the angel opens? Those prayers are stored up for some great reason and I have never heard anyone scripturally explain it. Not theory according to man but according to Thus Saith The Holy Spirit.

Grany

I do believe with all of my heart that we will be out of here soon but there are things that God is holding all of the Christians accountable for and He will deal with us because we have ignored the call to repentance and prayer regarding them. Abortion, homosexuality, politics, ethics, parenting, and being just like the world in our behavior. I imagine that we do look peculiar to God when he knows what we should be doing and look like but aren't.

Sometimes it takes drastic measures to get us to the place where he can be sought. We are expected to be single minded toward those things that please Him and we are to be seekers of the truth. Instead, the body of the believers go with a vengeance to everything that contradicts what the scriptures tell us and disregard or put into an inferior light his deepest desires for us.

I am not saying everyone but how many times have any of us tried to personally reach out and address the issue in our own personal circle or community. How many times have we discussed PC (Political Correctness) and yet, are we doing any better when we see the world being entertained in our own circle of friends or even our own families?

We are responsible for our witness and testimony before God. That scares me and for good reason.

The Day of the Lord is when His Feet hit on terrafirma, the exact same place where he ascended into heaven and that just happens to be in Bethany about 100 feet from the Hotel that is known as The Hotel of Seven Arches. There is a memorial there with thick concrete poured into the ground and it was done back centuries ago to preserve the spot. I have a picture of it and even though it is not spectacular in appearance or importance to the Jews, it speaks volumes to the believers. By the way, that spot also overlooks the Eastern Gate and early in the morning it is a sight to behold. At 5 a.m. right on the dot, the Muslim's have their call to worship from the Minaret, which is the highest point in Jerusalem vicinity, very close by this special place.

campsmore said...

U.S. Sends Missile Defense System, Troops to Israel

Olmert to visit Russia in October

Foreign Ministry director-general resigns:Israel

N.Korea says boosts self-defense from hostile US

Ministers ask EU to guarantee access to space

Iran dismisses draft UN nuclear resolution

Iran lowers level of participation in IAEA meeting

Denmark: Expel Islam from Europe

Ayatollah Khatami: When Mahdi Comes, Islam Will Rule The Islam you weren't meant to see

State Run Media in Syria hints; terrorists came from abroad

Israel, US to blame for Syria bombing
Syrian political commentators and media outlets claimed Israel and the US were responsible for the car bomb which, they said, was aimed at Iranian nationals, Army Radio reported


Chavez says crisis-hit U.S. needs new constitution
(No, Chavez, Just a new congress!!)

Great Grany 5 said...

Well, I guess that last part was supposed to be posted because I thought I had deleted it. I have no idea how it got back in my comments.

OH Well, time will tell.

Grany

Marge said...

Grany,
A good word on accountability.

We are responsible for our actions, our faith, (or lack of it) and our obediance to the Great Commission.

Jib,
Excellent posts!

Marge said...

Grany,
Are you kidding me?Tthe last part is one of the BEST parts!

Please, don't delete it.

campsmore said...

I just received the following note. Please comment.... lori

Setting the Blogs Straight About End Times


Please send the following to your Christian friends, pastors/churches everywhere as a letter from a person who has been a student of the Bible for over 30 years. You may also explain that I have worn the mantle of a pastor, Bible teacher, evangelist, church planter, and author.


Dear Christian Friends,

The Holy Spirit encouraged me to write the following to clarify a few biblical facts and to give assurance and peace to the evangelical camp, but especially to those dear folk who have not read and understood all the Scripture concerning the anti-christ. I am concerned over how easy Christians can be caught off guard or duped into accepting all the “off-the-wall” rhetoric from bloggers that have presented the theory that Sen. Oboma could be the Anti-christ. The hoax comes from the same category that Bill Clinton &/or Sadam were believed to be the Anti-christ, and Deseret Storm was the beginning of Armageddon.


We are only experiencing the first little wave of apostasy that will lead to the true “falling away” that Paul warned Timothy about. The Devil will not present his false christ to the world before the destroyer first softens up society enough to receive the ultimate deception. This does not mean believers should not be concerned about America, if Oboma is elected President. If this happens, he will be one of many pawns God will use to prepare the world for the heavenly judgment soon to follow. (Pray accordingly)


I believe this nation, on a whole, is being tested once again to determine if it is time to increase the domino affect that will eventually end with a new world, purged from all sin. America is only one of many nations in the world that will have to loose their power and influence before the one world leader &/or government can effectively rise to prominence. We should not forget that the rise to power by the wicked can not occur while the church is still on the earth. (2 Thess. 2:1-12)


The next event on God’s time line is the rapture (1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-52) ; the Holy Spirit can not leave earth without taking the church with Him since He is in or part of the believer. The church made up of true born again Christians, who represent the Bride of Christ, is not appointed to wrath due to Christ’s salvation. It is further doubtful believers will learn who the Anti-christ is before hand.


Believe me; it will only become worse as the days advance to that eventful hour. For example, what shape was the world in when Noah began building the Ark? How far had society fallen in and around Sodom and Gomorrah before Lot and his family were rescued? Both of these texts picture the doctrine of the rapture. In addition, didn’t Jesus compare His return “as in the days of Noah….?


“Let no man deceive you by any means” (2 Thess. 2:3) is the way Paul introduces his warning about this period. The church must be prepared for the Devil’s deception of misusing Scripture against the illiterate (novice) believer. Instead of equating Oboma as the Anti-christ, in regards to all the symbolism currently being circulated, [Messiah, Apollo, etc.] Matt. 25:21-26, should be used to show there will be many who will come pretending to be someone when they are nothing. I fear the liberal society is ready to receive/accept about anyone who steps from the crowd, especially if that person promises them (the pie in the sky) a better life with little labor to obtain it. Thousands of people followed Jesus once they found that he could produce free fish sandwiches and had a medical plan that left the Pharisees scratching their head.


The reader needs to do his or her own research. It is always safer to accept the Bible literally than trying to make society or events fit the Bible allegorically The Word of God will describe society perfectly when the time comes. Those who wish to know and understand the environment of the last days, need to find a Biblical Cyclopedic Index, and look up Anti-christ, last days, and the second coming for starters. There are hundreds of good books on the market about the rapture, Anti-christ, and the Tribulation.


Please consider the following obvious points of thought:

(To get an overview or a more complete picture of future events over the blogs, one should read the Book of Daniel, the latter part of Ezekiel concerning the building of the 3rd Temple, much of the Minor Prophets, the Book of Revelation, and Matthew 24.)

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Society will become more deviant and more violent and wars between nations will increase.
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Great famines (food & energy shortages) will occur in addition to a famine of true preaching. (Amos 8:11)
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Apostasy and heresy will be ramped and the occult will practice Devil worship overtly.
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The church may have to go underground in some areas for safety before the rapture.
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Three world leaders will rise: (1) the first will make a mistake and fall from the scene suddenly; (2) the second leader will be known as a raiser of taxes; the third, the most wicked and ungodly, will become the Anti-christ, (Dan. 11: 19-21).
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He will bring peace to a troubled world with the aid of the False Prophet by way of signs and wonders.
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He will worship no god; in fact, he may even be gay, (Dan. 11:37).
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He will be a military genius. [Obama ?– not hardly]
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The Jews will rebuild the Temple and renew animal sacrifices.
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The Anti-christ will be part of the old Roman Empire before he sets himself up to be worshipped during the second half of the Tribulation. (Dan. 9:27; Matt. 24;15; Rev. 13)
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He will make war with the Jews in the second half of the Tribulation. This is when the Mark of the Beast will be instituted depicting his name, his mark, or his number.


From the few facts listed above, the reader should not let any person misdirect his thoughts by referencing a few scriptures out of context. This could cause undue anxiety and unbiblical beliefs and will bring defeat for many concerning end-time prophecy. References and/or resources can be given to anyone interested in the study of Eschatology.


Your friend and partner in the Kingdom,

Wm. Combs, Ph.D.

jib said...

Jen
yes if you aren't careful you can put the object into the wind pipe further. however when I pound my son on the back he is directly upside down-gravity it's a wonderful thing! actually how you try to dislodge the object depends on the age of the child. and don't call it the Heimlich maneuver since that is a copyrighted term and the family charges!

jib said...

kudos to Grany's post

Lori

interesting letter. his take on the three leaders is one I've not seen before but I would have to know further some of his presuppositions, like his position on america and prophecy to comment further on that one.

Mr Hyde said...

New post is up.

Jim G; Praise God Daniel is OK!

Alf Cengia said...

From Paw Creek:

The Ark Of The Covenant And The New Temple In Jerusalem