1Pe 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials,
1Pe 1:7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
1Pe 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.
150 comments:
me first???
Vicki
not sure how to answer your question without being inflammatory. My comment was badly phrased and wasn't meant to solely caution you but people in general to not go down that road because we don't need to go there. I guess I got the idea from the way you phrased your response to Jim C but sorry if I offended as I didn't mean to single you in particular out.
No offense taken, Jib!
Jewish Response to the Obama Cairo Speech
Joel's new post
A NEW REVOLUTION IN IRAN? Reformers are on the streets
GT,
"Perhaps some of us can help with your frustration?"
How about a 3 hour spa treatment?
Seriously though, I just wish we could all realize our individual burdens & gifts from the Lord & be open to where He is leading us individually & collectively in this group.
We all know each other fairly well I'd say. At least we should, right?
(It's harder through cyberspace than in person but it's been a couple years-at least.)
That's were my frustration stems from. (Not in God's timing or control type of thing. I know that's always perfect.)
Maybe it's something we can think about and work on? Having unity in our diversity.
1 Cor 12:4-6 "There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works in all...."
7.) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
8-10) For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of Knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kind of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11.)But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
We could all do so much more in the fullness of Christ if we broke down our individualized barriers and worked in an open & loving way toward one another in the Spirit.
Shouldn't we be able to do this? Or do you think it's something we have already attained & I'm missing the mark?
Anyway, that's it in a nutshell. Melanie's been sick & has the infamous "barf bowl" so I better attend to my motherly duties.
What is going on in Iran is really something to behold. Did anyone here read "Inside the Revolution" by Rosenburg?
With a million people taken to the streets I'm wondering what he said in it now.
Joel Richardson even linked one of Rosenburg's articles on his site-which suprised me.
UTUBE-Iran The Volcano Erupts
IRAN-THE VOLCANO ERUPTS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3er0fleyg6A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsocialist%2Dblogs%2Dnews%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2009%2F06%2Fmaryam%2Dnamazie%2Dand%2Dhamid%2Dtaqvaee%2Dwpi%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded
I read it shortly after it came out and I think Jim C read it as well. It is divided into three sections essentially along the lines of the title. The first group think Islam is the answer and jihad is the way (the radicals), the second group (the reformers) think Islam is the answer but jihad is not the way and the last group (the revivalists) don't think islam is the answer and they think Christ is the way.
Not much information that was new to me in the first section. We've all been following what Joel has been saying for about 2 years or so now and there was some new information on the Christians but the group and the section I was most blown away by was the middle group. It is this middle group that will survive the rapture and the war of Gog and Magog and one can see the future of what will happen with these folks under the AC. Reading about the reformers in light of future events was most illuminating to say the least.
Lisa -
re; your 6:18 comment
yep, yep, yep - I agree!
Morning, all,
Found this interesting article about the Iranian situation...lots of good points about BOO being increasingly exposed and the isolation of Israel.
At first, when I heard that Bibi had caved to the 2-state idea, I felt defeated. But I've since read some commentaries (including Joel's) that show how he has placed the idea within a context that actually shows the true intentions of the PA, etc. Seems more like a clever chess move than a folded hand now.
Here's the article about Iran:
Oh dear, how inconvenient for the White House
Blessings,
Jen
Yes, I think Bibi is a very wise man.
I just watched The Volcano Erupts. This was interesting. Here you have a country that swears it hates the "west." Yet, although this is a country that speaks Farsi, those signs were in English and by the clothing you could see the "western" influence on these people.
At first I thought I was watching a demonstration in Europe or America.
Clearly they are trying to engage the "west" with the posters and English dialog.
hi- thought I'd ask a little help from all of you....I've been searching for and article I was reading last night when my computor shut down and I lost it! Three hours I've looked.......Article by Thomas Ice about the Christian Palestinian movement, as opposed to the Christian Zionist. Has anyone else seen it?
Jamie - lightshine
LIGHTHOUSE
Jamie is THIS IT?
I googled it by the subject/author and it came to this one.
Hope it helps.
Grany
Lisa;
"We could all do so much more in the fullness of Christ if we broke down our individualized barriers and worked in an open & loving way toward one another in the Spirit.
Shouldn't we be able to do this? Or do you think it's something we have already attained & I'm missing the mark?"
I can't answer for anyone else, but my "all too human" thoughts get in way too many times. I would do well to check myself more before I jump in too quickly! I do however get promptings when something does not seem quite right. I don't know if all these can be called barriers (what may seem like a barrier may be a "check" in someones spirit). As you say we are different and need the input of all the others. This is sometimes the way that God may be getting His point across to us and we must be open to it. I don't think any of us has obtained perfection, and will not in this present existence.
We certainly can (and should) work toward being more open and loving in the Spirit. One thing I must say though, considering the various backrounds here we have done well when there have been differences compared to some of the other blogs I have seen. May God continue to grow us to completion as He has promised in His Word!
Maranatha!
Homosexuals Against Gay-Marriage... Come On!
Some people go overboard with certain things; I guess we all do in one area or another.
I guess the best thing we can do is be somewhat mellow about it here on this blog where there are so many varied schools of thoughts on the topics.
Let's try not to make our brothers and sisters stumble.
not caring to discuss a topic is not equivalent to not respecting a persons call to study a topic.
also as Paul said all things are lawful but not all things are prudent (to paraphrase). while some can study things like ufo's, nephilim, the AC, the rapture timing in accordance with feasts, which war comes first others can't without their faith failing or them stumbling. our Christian liberty can not be exercised at the expense of our brothers and sisters and that has to be respected. if whatever you are studying and posting about, and I don't care what the topic is, is causing someone else to stumble or have issues with their faith the mature thing is to back off on those posts
Jib,
An extremely good/sound point!
Leading Rabbi to Bibi: Generations Look to You; Be Strong! ,
Bibi Says 'Palestinian State' but Adds Numerous Conditions,
Sr. PA negotiator: "Netanyahu will have to wait 1,000 years for someone to agree to talk to him"
Bibi's demilitarized state,
Abbas aide sees Bibi deserves "global isolation" ,
Carter: Remove Hamas From Terror List,
Hamas: We will accept '67 borders,
Barak: Selling arms to Iran, Syria risky ,
Against Judah and Jerusalem,
Real Agenda: Israel's Dimona Nuclear Facility,
Mitchell Hints of Possible Accord on ME Peace Talks Within Weeks,
Israel-US Team Kills Breast Cancer in the Dark ,
Solana Eyes "Big Step" in Palestinian-Israeli Negotiations,
Wilders: EU is not Israel's friend,
Israel Absent at Joint Air Exercises Over Turkey,
Gush Etzion Residents: Keep Carter Out of Our Towns,
EU: Hizbullah 'Member of Lebanese Society' ,
Hizbollah sends congratulations to Iran's pres. ,
'Hamas helping Iran crush dissent' ,
Iran wants nuclear weapon technology: ElBaradei,
Iran and Russia nip at US global dominance,
Russia, China urge talks on NKorea,
Russia, China, others urge diverse monetary system,
Freak Beijing storm turns day into night,
video,
DPRK threatens to launch pre-emptive strike against US,
Missile launch preparations completed in NKorea ,
Update: "..the launch is not planned immediately, because there are no tracking radars at the range and the missile is not on the launch pad."
US Federal Reserve to gain power under plan,
Is He an enlightened being? ,
creepy... anyone remember the pod people?
Climate change cash key to unlocking progress on global deal,
Will the Global Financial Crisis Affect EU Enlargement? ,
Ukraine minister quits,
Lori,
It is does seem like pod people are everywhere now...
from the article you posted...
...Here's where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul...
And why is it we refer to Satan as Lucifer? Oh yeah. I remember now.
YES! thats it- Thanks Granny!
Jamie lightshine
jib, 9:11 well said.
If anyone is weak in faith then by all means we should pray for them.
There is a difference between personally not being interested in a topic (for whatever reason) & a topic causing one to stumble in their faith of God.
I really don't personally relate to that because I have yet to be so greatly effected by any type of spiritual subject matter that it would actually affect my faith. The Bible does mention some are weak in faith-so I definitely believe it's true for some.
Up until this point I have not heard anyone mention a "weak faith" or "stumbling" comment here.
But it doesn't really matter for He knows all of our intents and the motivations of our hearts.
I rather be in an open & loving dialogue w/these issues & all topics but apparently that's not in the cards @ this point with some of you.
When those of you have worked out your "stumbling" topic concerns on the Alien/UFO disclosure agenda then let me know & we can pick up on this dialogue & figure it out together in Christ.
Otherwise-I'll just post on other subjects for now. Hopefully the Mirco-chip issue is OK since I came across an interesting article on that today.Cash to become extinct as chips take off
(It's not as if you all don't at least know the "basics" of the Nephilim/Alien agenda here-Just in Case.)
Lisa, you might want to know that there are Bible believing Christian sites that caution against the whole conspiracy theory thing...so just be cautious.
And remember, it's only a theory.
Jib,
"not caring to discuss a topic is not equivalent to not respecting a persons call to study a topic."
In the secular world I find that to be true & agree.
But to truly love your brothers & sisters "in Christ" you would sacrifice your personal preferences in order to show a higher Love for one another realizing that it's God Himself who has created our individuality, variety, and diversity.
It’s not as if we are books on a shelf here but real live souls.
We should strive to love each other as we love ourselves.
Donna,
The UFO/Nephilim are real supernatural demonic beings & not a "theory". They are real & are exposing themselves more as time goes on. (Ask someone who's been abducted if they still believe it's a theory.)
The only "theory" is if/how they will play out in the End Times.
Christians have wedged their heads in the sand deeper on this one than the study of Biblical Prophecy. (As would be expected.)
Here's Rapture Ready's opinion about the conspiracy theory in his Seven Major Approaces to Bible Prophecy
Here is another opinion.
New post from Joel
Dinner Jacket goes to Moscow (no, Joel didn't really say that, I did)
"Students of Bible prophecy should keep a close eye on events unfolding in Iran and the epicenter, and keep praying for the Lord to have mercy on that country. "
I don't think anyone should feel that they can't post a link to what they consider could be of interest to others. I’ve posted links from articles that contain ideas and opinions I don’t fully endorse and I’ve been guilty of not writing a forward or disclaimer to the article. Lisa has offered to do this with her links, so, personally, I don’t see a problem. I find some of them interesting while others I ignore.
Actually, I don’t mind the odd conspiracy theory – like Obie being Carpathia – and still visit Constance Cumbey’s site occasionally. I’m finding that I’m less interested in these topics nowadays while others still are.
We’ve had many squabbles over different subjects: Tongues; WOF; Catholicism; Rapture timing/forecasting; UFOs/nephilim. Did I leave something out? I’ve been involved in some of the above discussions and have said things I’d like to take back. I’m concerned that this is happening here again.
I know I need to practise discernment in different areas and focus much more on the Lord. Maybe we all do. Let’s not chase each other away.
caff, decaf?
Something from YNet News:
Sheikh Salah: Netanyahu wants to rebuild Temple
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Hey there you all,
I just wanted to throw my two cents in too! I want you all to know how I value all of your thoughts, links to articles, news points, prayer concerns and praises and general thoughtfulness to others here at this site. It is so refreshing to read the many different voices here. I do not post all that much but I read here everyday. The Lord has used you all here to help me feel not so alone and I am so thankful for Him for that.
In Christ's love,
Diana
Amen Mr Hyde.
Green tea.
Serenity now....mmmmmmmmmmm.
Mr. Hyde,
You asked:
We’ve had many squabbles over different subjects: Tongues; WOF; Catholicism; Rapture timing/forecasting; UFOs/nephilim. Did I leave something out?
Uhhh. Yes. One of my favorite topics with dear brothers and sisters in Christ on both sides. Perhaps it didn't quite make your list because the conversations weren't really "squabbles." Does anyone remember?
Can't remember? Here's a hint.
Love all the comments and postings here at the cave. The common thread of course is Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Sorry, Jim G, hydie has left the room. As soon as I saw your post I knew what it was - didn't need the link.
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
At least there's no "Once Lost Always Lost".
DF: Didn't I say good night to you 'bout 45 mins ago?
she's busted lol
Ouch!
Orthodox Jews launch 'kosher' search engine -- no joke, it’s called Koogle.
Koogle
shouldn't that be Kugel? lol
Donna
second link was quite informative and quite goo. thanks
"FrontPage Interview’s guest today is Roozbeh Farahanipour, an Iranian journalist, democracy activist, former political prisoner in Iran and head of Marze Por Gohar Party (MPG), an Iranian opposition party seeking the establishment of an secular republic in Iran. He was a student leader in the 1999 uprising, just one year after creating MPG"
Iranians’ Cry For Freedom
I just want to point out that it is not my intention to try to chase anyone away or to chase any link or topic away.
I just think we all should be cautious and not be so 100% positive about some of these types of things.
Time for 'new world order': Brazilian President,
China sells US bonds to "show concern" ,
China, Russia sign cooperation pact ,
Russia offers to host series of global security meetings in 2010, " ...five international organizations active in the Euro-Atlantic region - the OSCE, the CSTO, NATO, the EU and the CIS - to consider their strategies for security and develop coordinated approaches with the goal of swiftly creating a security space in the region..."
Russia plays down NKorea's threats, "Japanese and SKorean intelligence sources have said the North appears to be preparing to test-launch two intercontinental ballistic missiles, in defiance of UN resolutions."
NKorea plans to fire missile toward Hawaii,
Iran’s Hidden Revolution,
IAEA: Iran Trying for Nuclear Bomb ,
Distributors of Iranian votes arrested,
Israel envoys clash with UN watchdog chief over Syria probe 'bias' ,
Four countries 'blacklisted' by US,
Cameron ‘would not oppose’ Blair becoming first president of the EU,
Mideast peace deal 'within the year' if all committed: Blair,
EU to revive Mediterranean Union ,
Jerusalem launches debate on sharing holiest site,
God's Holy Mountain,
Solana eyes "big step" in Palestinian-Israeli negotiations,
video
Rosenberg: Ahmadinejad in Moscow ,
Ahmadinejad stresses need for a new world order,
Alliance of Civilizations: Extremism and New Religion,
video
Somalia: Bomb blast kills Security Minister,
Explosion kills politician (Christian Democratic Party) in Albania SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-06-18-10-04-30,
Kazakh leader fires his defence minister,
Bubonic plague reported in Libya ,
Beware the New Compassion
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JIM C.
That is a very interesting and right on article on the New Compassion. Thank you for sharing it with me.
Grany
Donna,
It was interesting how Todd compartmentalized 7 ways of end time prophecy "thinking".
It was as if he was saying My way is the best way & the rest of you-well-are pretty flawed.
The first 5 I could identify-not really the last two-but I've seen the outlooks before.
The problem is that I don't think most people fit into just one of his stated categories.
Some Christians seem to specialize in one more than another-like those who study biblical numerology-biblical astrology-ect...
And as in everything-if we only look at one way of thinking & exclude all the other ways God has gifted us with-then we miss out on what everyone can contribute to the big picture.
Our creator has provided us with ALL these diverse ways of thinking.
What he labels as "Conspiracy" (in a mocking sarcastical tone no less) I think of more in terms of discerning spiritual warfare in the supernatural realm. (discernment of spirits.) There are Christians who specialize in this area-as you well know. And it gets WAY deeper than anything I've ever mentioned here. (Some of the things I've learned even shocked my own comfort level quite honestly.)
The Christians who study this area tend to be much more open & encouraging. I also find them to be fierce defenders of literal Biblical truths & not off into some allegorical/replacement type of thinking at all.
In his 7 categories I also fall into the "literal" more than the others (but not exclusively) but I also appreciate and listen to other Christians who have something to say from the other areas.
The problem I find with his article is that while he claims all the other ways of thinking go overboard-he is doing the exact same thing with his own "Literal" category. He's so focused on what he's personally comfortable with in his "literal" column that he prefers to stay away from everyone else. He intern does the exact same thing he claims the others are doing.
I just don't think that is how God intended us to relate to one another or we wouldn't have all these various areas of Biblical knowledge nor be blessed with a variety of spiritual gifts.
BTW-That's my big gripe w/Joel Richardson's blog. They are so focused on only seeing the "Islam" aspect of end times that they ignore what anyone else has to add.
Take Chuck Missler for example. He studies a wide variety of topics & then presents some pretty good balanced conclusions to what he's researched.
A couple cool things I found today:
God's Chisel Skit
The theory over @ "cutting edge" is that the Govt untimate goal though this financial mess is to get the banking/auto/insurance under Govt control but not to collapse the system. So it should eventually rebound. (Illuminiti view)
Andrew Strom is looking at it from a God's judgment standpoint & wrote a book called "Surving the Depression." I get the feeling he thinks it will get worse.
So for whatever it's worth here are some charts Strom sent out today:
Quarterly Update: The Recession in Historical Context-From CFR
A Tale of Two Depressions
Regarding Todd; he actually endorsed a fiction book about nephilim written by Tom Horn. I read it based on Todd’s enthusiasm.
Lisa, Joel Richardson and Walid Shoebat only promote their theory/books and love to challenge any who disagree.
Has everybody gone to bed...really?
Mac,
Naw, I was at a Glenn Beck 9-12 meeting...
So, how about this for a frightening scenario:
Remember Operation Blackjack, from the UK Telegraph? "the story of a series of terrorist nuclear attacks on major western cities and the aftermath." The fifth and last part showed the new US government secretly planting a nuke in Boston to galvinate the people, stop the protesting of the illegitimate government, refocus on the terrorists, the enemy.
Now read this from the Jerusalem Post:
Iran: We foiled Israeli-linked bomb plot
The Iranian Intelligence Ministry on Thursday claimed to have foiled an Israeli-linked terror plot to plant bombs in mosques and other crowded places in Teheran during last week's presidential election.
"Members of one of the uncovered networks were planning to plant bombs on election day at various crowded Teheran spots, including dozens of polling booths the Ershad and Al-Nabi mosques,"
So, Jim C, I bet you could stretch out this scenario.
Mac,
That's funny about Todd endorsing that type of book after his compartmentalized commentary. Anyway-I've always liked what he's had to say in his articles.(Just don't particularly agree on this one.)
Moriel Ministries just sent out their Be Alert Newsletter. There are quite a few insightful articles in this one-And-one that's got me scrutinizing the Calvary Chapel org- even more.
I really hope our Pastor doesn't go down this emergent road. I don't think he would but @ this point not a whole lot would suprise me after my TN experience.
Depending upon how extensive this "falling away" is- it may end up house church or no church. I sure hope not though!
"May 5th, Paul Smith, brother of Chuck Smith (the founder of the Calvary Chapel movement), was fired from his position in the Calvary Chapel (CCOF) organization.....
Praise report and prayer request.
1.) I've had Type 1 diabetes since 1976. Type 1 is sometimes called juvenile onset diabetes. It means a person produces no insulin so the diabetes must be controlled with daily insulin injections. I just went to the eye doctor today for a comprehensive eye exam that was a couple years overdue. As a diabetic, they recommend I get one every year. Anyway, once again, the doctor looked in my eyes and reported that he sees absolutely no evidence of diabetes. That is miraculous and I attribute it to God's grace in my life. Thank you Lord. I also have better than 20/20 vision in both eyes and am almost 45 years old.
2.) Work has been very stressful because I work for state goverment and the division I work in is scheduled to have significant layoffs. I very easily could be one of them despite the fact that I have almost 10 years of service with the state. Anyway, my boss has engaged in some behavior that I believe is questionable, unethical, and self-serving. She got wind of that fact today and let me know that she is "furious" with me. I think the fury is in large part due to the fact that it is not behavior that she would want publicly exposed or questioned.
There is another position that I am very qualified for and plan to apply for. I am just so rattled, that I need the Lord's peace right now so that I can fill out this application and turn it in tomorrow. I also am asking the Lord for wisdom on how to handle the situation with my current boss. It is hard for me to be objective about it because I feel offended and mistreated. She doesn't know the Lord though and but for the grace of God, I'd be just as lost. I want to defend myself but maybe the best thing is to just keep my head low until I get this other position if it be the Lord's will (I strongly believe it is but I have been wrong before -- haven't we all?).
I must confess that I feel like I brought this on myself in part because I shared my concerns with two coworkers two days ago after work in the parking lot. One of them clearly told my boss because she knew of that conversation. I shouldn't have said anything to those coworkers though we were talking about ethical and political abuses that we were observing. Though true, I believe it still qualifies as gossip which is sin. So, I'm confessing that to you who understand and are my brothers and sisters.
Anyway, I covet your prayers regarding this.
We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.
John 9:31
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
James 5:16
Jim C.,
I also liked the New Compassion article you linked June 18, 2009 @ 12:01 PM.
Good one! Thanks for the link.
Keeping you in prayer, Jim G.
Jim G, it is so easy to slip from legitimate discussion of a situation to gossip. Bless you for your honesty and for publicly confessing. You have my prayers, dear brother.
Jim G., Shalom! This may sound a bit off, but is there any way you could ask this boss for a reference or recommendation for the new job? I'm assuming that you have never planned on "turning her in" regarding her actions. I'm thinking in terms of "promoting a problem", i.e., getting you into that position would get you out of her hair.
Of course, if you ask her and you DON'T get the job, anything you say against her could be considered the talk of a disgruntled employee, assuming there's no other hard evidence available.
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Video-The real story behind "Father's Day
Jim C- Forgot to mention I also loved that Catholic-New Compassion-article. That's defiantely one to pass on.
Jim G,
That work situation is the pits. I suppose the best thing to do was to confront your boss privately
1st but- it's kind of awkward confronting a non-Christian verses someone who's a Christian.
If you tell your boss privately-without a witness-then he/she may retaliate & twist what you say & there is no one to back you up.
You mention it to your co-workers & at least one of them goes blabbing it back to that boss.
We can really get ourselves in a mess can't we? Well, you’re doing the right think in trusting in the Lord to get you out of it.
I just read one of Wilkerson's articles on "God's Will". It's under The Lord Bless You and Keep You in All His Ways Tuesday, June 16.
JIM C. Brilliant advice for Jim G.
JIM G. Praying for you too. Lessons learned along God's pathway endure to the end.
SOMETHING BIG GOING ON
joke for the day
A man is sitting in a bar far from home when Barack Obama comes on TV.
The man looks at the TV and says, "Obama is a horse's rear."
Out of nowhere, a local jumps up and punches him in the face, knocking the first guy off his bar stool , then stomps out.
He gets back up, rubbing his cheek and orders another beer.
Shortly after, Hillary Clinton appears on the TV. He looks at the TV and says, "She is a horse's rear too!"
Out of nowhere, another local punches him in the other side of the face, knocking him off his bar stool again.
He gets back up and looks at the bartender, "I take it this is Obama country?"
"Nope." replies the bartender.
"Horse country".
Joel has 2 new posts including a link for a trailer of the movie Damascus.
Also:
A NEW HITLER IS RISING IN THE EAST: Why can’t the West see it?
Wilders: 'Israel is West's first line of defense' ,
"Death to the Dictator!" Mousavi supporters,
EU leaders: Iran has to prove elections were fair,
As Iraq runs dry, a plague of snakes is unleashed,
Egypt signs agreement to build nuclear reactor ,
Egypt deports Chechens including leader's son ahead of Medvedev visit,
US military tracking a flagged NKorean ship suspected of nuke material in violation of a UN Security Council resolution ,
Gates Orders Measures to Protect Hawaii From NKorea Missile,
Kim Jong-il's Health 'Getting Rapidly Worse' ,
Missing! 2 Japanese Nationals at heart of `counterfeit’ $134.5 bn US bearer bonds story,
"...the smuggling of $134.5 billion in U.S. government bearer bonds, which by no coincidence, happens to be the exact amount remaining in the U.S. Troubled Asset Relief Program [TARP]"
EU summit seeks to avert 'perfect storm' ,
US takes seat at UN rights forum, urges unity,
UN Treaty Jeopardizes Homeschool Freedom in Britain,
Top Anti-Terror Chief Dies In Spain Bombing,
Top Latvian minister resigns amid economic reforms,
NASA prepares to bomb the moon,
LORD, thank you for allowing me to be your ambassador. Let my message be honest and true. Help me to encourage others and to go out of my way to speak a kind word. Forgive me for times when I have spoken without thinking. Let me live in such a way that my words and actions represent you so that my message may be one of love and hope.
TURN YOUR MUSIC ON
I need urgent and immediate prayer for my daughter. She has been dating a youth pastor. He is a horrible person. The symptoms of an emotionally abusive relationship are very prevalent. And now that she has been approached, she was ready to leave for sanctuary away from him, he has made contact.
He has her convinced that everything was her fault. He has her convinced that she ran to him for love and acceptance when she should have run to God. That was true at one time. This is no longer a valid point. He uses her past against her, he tells her she's conniving and manipulative.
At 3 o'clock this morning she was on the phone with him while he screamed at her on the phone. We were in her room and I was shocked at his words.
I had to involve their pastor, even though, the young man warned me not to. (He told me not to involve the pastor, and when I told him I was, he told me he would see to it that that wouldn't happen.)
The pastor's response is that they're two consenting adults and he can make recommendations, but he really doesn't think this person would hurt my daughter. I called the pastor's wife and appealed to her as a wife and mother and she said she said "we can only pray and give her to God." I felt like saying, "I've got a gun and I'm about to give this young man to God." (Oh, to live in TX)
I'm in a complete state of shock.
I've plead the blood of Jesus over her mind; bound the spiritual darkness that seems to have wrapped around her thoughts.
Please pray in agreement with us that God will open her eyes and deliver her out of this entire situation.
Campsmore- praying that God in His mercy will free her from that captivity!! (just as He freed me)
Jamie
Absolutely joining you all in prayer, Lori!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lori, Alesia and I are praying for you as well.
LORI, Praying for you and daughter.
Lori,
Praying for your daughter!!!
It is so hard to see them go through that. My youngest was in an abusive relationship and we prayed her eyes would be opened and God answered, big time!!
Alesia,
You just do not know how many times the things you write cut right to the heart of what I need to pray and convict and encourage me!
Grace
Jib,
Loved your joke! Too funny!
Lori,
Matt. 19:26b says, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Grace,
Good to see you back posting!
Wishing all a great weekend! And a Happy (early) Fathers Day to all the Dads!
Love,
Marge
Lori,
I am praying for your daughter tonight. I have felt the urgency in your request. Have asked our Lord to protect your dear one as only He can, as only her Father can. Have asked Him to set free her mind and to protect her from his lies. I have asked the Lord to send someone to confront this young man as it is apparent that the pastor will not stand up to him as he should. I am so sorry that this is happening. Please keep us updated.
Diana
Jib,
That's a good joke-I'll have to forward it onto D.H. Hey-He's having a horse "tack sale" tomorrow. Maybe I should blow up the joke 'banner size' and display it. LOL.
Lori,
Praying for your daughter & the young man.
Jred posted a little article about the Marriage Supper of the Lamb & then there were some comments regarding if it was in Heaven or on Earth. Jred thought the timing was after the final Bowl of Wrath.
When I've read about it-the timing had never quite made sense to me & I came to the conclusion that it was not immediately @ the beginning of the Trib because that would exclude the other saints to be martyred (Would they be left out?)and where it's located in the book of Rev.
Someone wrote in a final comment and said that the confusion is in that there are two Suppers which parallels the traditions of the Jewish wedding feast.
Here is the final comment:
Hi Jeff! The Wedding Supper of the Lamb does take place in heaven, the Marriage Supper is a different event, and takes place on earth as described by Worthy1. They are 2 different events, that have 2 different purposes.
Even a fairly cursory study of Jewish wedding customs clarifys the entire process, from the beginning, when the bride is selected, through the groom's preparations in his father's house,to the groom's coming to get his bride, by surprise, at a late hour, to the supper they eat togther, and are alone with limited guests for 7days, to their marriage supper that comes after the 7 day private feast, when all the guests are invited.
When the understanding of Jewish wedding procedures, are laid against the Scripture, BOTH events can clearly be seen, and their differences understood and accounted for.
One of the main reasons for not understanding the two different suppers, is that gentiles, particularly in these times, are largely unaware of the procedures that accomanied Jewish life when the Scriptures were written. Marriage then, and marriage now, are NOT the same. To put our modern customs into our interpretation, has a net affect, of us not completely understanding what is being said in Scripture, and the context that make CLEAR interpretation possible.
This link:HEREis just one example, of many available, that outline the customs that were fulfilled by Jesus the first time He came, and those that await fulfillment.Studies such as these, give so much extra detail and life to the process we are undergoing as members of the Bride of Jesus Christ. We have found study in this area to be profoundly helpful, and faith increasing!!
Maranatha!!!
Anyway-I haven't gone through the entire link but it sure sounds logical. If anyone reads it-let me know what you think.
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Praying for your daughter, Lori
Take the NBC poll, on whether or not "In God we Trust" should be taken off our currency or not...
Thanks for all your prayers. I don't expect immediate solutions. It's apparent that it's going to take some time. For now, I'm praying that God will remove him from her life and no matter how things appear, I will praise God for his will in her life.
Lori, I don't know much about church protocol, but I wonder if you should talk with one of the elders of the church...or someone else in authority. If I had a child involved in this church's youth group and knew what you know about its youth pastor, I would be alarmed and immediately remove that child! It seems that the senior pastor isn't doing his job of caring for a vulnerable part of his flock.
I'm praying for your daughter, too.
Lori
praying for you daughter. what an unfortunate and I might add unscriptural response from the pastor and his wife. at the very least this young man should be put on leave from his duties I would think. again unfortunately there are many in the church who don't see an issue with abuse of this type. I recently saw a book on the matter written by a Christian woman on her journey from abuse out and part of the issue was the church and their lack of support, how she should just accept the abuse as many felt it was her fault etc.
I don't know if this was posted here or not, or if I was told this by one of the other deacons at our church, but I was recently told about a young girl who was abused by one of the elders of the church for sometime-the family considered him a surrogate grandfather. the abuse started when she was 10 or so and now she is a teen. when the police arrested him they found all sorts of filth on his computer (pornography of children and other stuff) and yet the church has shunned this family saying it's he said she said (despite the hundreds of text messages found where he is clearly the instigator etc)that she started it and led him on and things of this sort. I was stunned and incredulous at the response of this church.
And the church wonders why those in the world want nothing to do with us. After the above two examples I don't wonder.
Anne
I had wondered the same thing
Anne and Jib,
I do not attend the same church. I asked my daughter about elders, she said they don't have any, just a church board.
(If I may remove myself emotionally for a moment) From a legal perspective it sure wouldn't look good for the church if something worse were to happen to my daughter and the senior pastor knew of the threat ahead of time.
I'm am grateful for God's protection.
lori
At our church, we've had 2 pastors dismissed in the last year for sexual immorality. One was an older man who had been with the church for decades, the pastor of visitation, who ironically also led the local men's recovery group for sexual addiction. The other was a youth pastor who had been with the church for several years.
It really took a toll on the leadership but we felt they handled it very soundly. There was public disclosure of the necessary details, specific sermons on the topics of gossip, forgiveness and restoration and counseling sessions provided for those who were most affected. I could see how Satan was trying to attack 2 groups that would be greatly affected by these particular pastors falling from grace. The older pastor worked with the community and once his hypocrisy was revealed, it not only affected the congregation, but also many outside the church who now would be skeptical of fellowshipping with Christians because of it. The bigger attack I felt was against the youth. Most of them viewed their pastor as their mentor and he was so well-liked among them. At a time when they were vulnerable...breaking away from their parents more and deciding what to cling to outside of that shelter, to have this man be so duplicitous was a real crisis in those families. The kids were reeling, almost mourning and the parents were caught between anger and demonstrating the command to forgive. You could tell that it was a battle to see if the flesh would win or if Christ was going to be submitted to and allowed to do the sorting out and healing.
Another thing I've noticed is how the church is having to put so much time and effort into covering themselves from litigation now. I signed up to volunteer for VBS and I have to get state police child abuse clearances and criminal profile reports before I can participate. My mother-in-law had to do the same to help with the MOPs group at church this year (she was just babysitting the toddlers while the moms were upstairs at meetings for a few hours once a month.) And at the kids' preschool, teachers aren't allowed to help them in the bathroom now if they need cleaned up because there's the chance that Johnny might go home and tell his mommy that his teacher was touching him inappropriately. Unbelievable! As a mom, I couldn't abide by that rule so I did help the little ones on several occasions when they were in need. How can you possibly expect a three-year old to get himself cleaned up? The other teachers would call the parents to come and do it or just let the child pull his pants up and be messy. A complete rejection of common sense, but that's what happens I guess with the spreading reach of litigation. My doctor told me it's all about CYA now when she was giving me the worst case scenarios for my prognosis.
On that happy note...Blessings!
Jen
Hey Lori,
Just read your comment. As I just posted, the church might want to think about the open door this situation would be for litigation. If they don't care about anything else, perhaps they would pay attention to that potential threat against them. I have zero legal expertise, but I can imagine a situation where a parent finds out about an abusive leader, then finds out that the church had already been made aware of that abuse toward another person and this pastor was allowed to continue in his role...that alone might be enough for a parent to make a charge. Our church said that the VBS volunteers needing clearances was to demonstrate that they had made a good faith effort to screen their staff AHEAD OF TIME so if something were to happen, they would be able to show that they didn't just let people come in off the street to work with the kids. Also, make sure to document/record your interactions whenever possible. I used to keep a notepad with me at school where I would jot down notes about student interactions so I could backup my work to administrators later on, just in case.
Keeping your family in prayer,
Jen
Jen,
That is exactly what my D.H. Attorney would recommend doing.
Be sure to keep a record-date/time/conversation & w/whom.
I just asked my attorney DH who said the pastor and board could be liable if something happens to Lori's daughter, it's called negligent supervision. It could vary by state.
Jen,
Your story makes me sad for the little ones. It's pretty sad when we are so focused on CYA that we can't clean theirs!
The Attorney jokes are always popular but their advice sure does come in handy when you need it. (:
I posted a really great article today on my blog from A.W. Tozer from a book titled "The Puruit of God." I would have just posted it here but it's too long.
"The Blessedness of Posessing Nothing by A.W. Tozer "
Someone had posted this @ Joel's T.
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Jerusalem launches debate on sharing holiest site
The Three Questions Of Matt. 24
If this Temple Mount situation really starts rolling-Hummmmm-could be a significant marker of prophetic timing.
Also w/Dinner Jacket in Russia right now. (I wonder if they are currently devising an "evil plan"?)
I hope he doesn't go back & start mass murdering the Iranian reformers but I wouldn't put it past him.
N.Korea wanting to blow our butts off & Obama apologizing to the Arab world- We knew 2009 was going to be quite a year didn't we?
Wars & Rumors of wars.
OK,
Now that I just checked this link you you'll have to see this one:
God's Holy MountainThis is a vision about transforming the Temple Mount from a place of contention to truly God's Holy Mountain, a house of prayer for all people (Isaiah 56:7). It represents the prophecy of Zechariah 14:9 of the One God worshipped by the entire world in peace together.
In light of a Painting shown:
"It is a normal future day on the Temple Mount (الحرم الشريف) in Jerusalem. Jews, Muslims and Christians, entering through the Gate of Mercy, are waiting for services to begin, respectively, at the Temple, at the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, and at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Friends of all three religions and from around the world greet each other, and some gather around an informal group of musicians from the three faiths who are playing together. The Temple Mount has shed the remnants of destruction and conflict left by the Roman Empire and is once again is a joyous place, in which all worship in their respective holy buildings, but bearing witness to the same One God, creator of all."
(So I guess it's keep your existing faith but realize everyone is actually worshipping the same god.)
If you read on in the painting section it explains how they could expand the size of the Temple Mount as prophesied in the Bible's stated dimensions.
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HAPPY FATHERS DAY
to all the dads!!!
May you have a Blessed, pampered day.
Um, DF, you silly!
Homesick for God
The woman left her water jar beside the well and went back to the village and told everyone, "Come and meet a man who told me everything I ever did! Can this be the Messiah?" So the people came streaming from the village to see him. John 4:28-30 NLT
How many people have you made homesick for God?
Oswald Chambers (1874-1917)
Spread the good news
The Samaritan woman was so amazed by Jesus and his revelations about who he was and about the secrets of her heart and life that she forgot her water jar—the very reason she'd come to the well—and rushed back to the village to tell others about the "man" she had met. Up and down the streets she shared the good news about Jesus, for she had seen the Lord, the Messiah! Having received the living water, a perpetual spring within her that gave her eternal life (v. 14), she wanted others to know him too. So the people began streaming from the village to see him, eager to meet this incredible man who told people the secrets of their hearts.
Sharing with others what Jesus had done in us and for us stirs up interest in those who don't know him. His revelation in our lives draws to him people who desire to have him work in their lives as he does in ours. With whom could you share the Good News today? Ask the Lord to make you sensitive to his working in the lives of others, and be ready to share the hope that's within you.
LORD, forgive me for times when my excitement over knowing you has waned. I want others to know you and experience your work in their lives. Use me to spread the Good News. I pray that I will be so amazed by what you reveal to me today that I won't hesitate to share my hope with those who don't yet know you.
Shalom, all! This was just posted by a friend over on Catholic Answers Forum:
Protestant Prophetic Announcement:
I don't know if any of you have heard of this gentleman, Dr. Daniel E. Bohler, or if you can speak for or against him. He released a "Prophetic Announcement" on June 17, 2009, that ends with: I just received a call from my sister, who is an intercessor, who informed me that other prayer warriors and prophets from different places said to put the word out to pray against the summer and the grave difficulties at hand beginning after June 21, 2009 ... I have a sense that we need to pray against the spirit of anarchy in our cities and neighborhoods all over the USA.
Patriarch of Ethiopia: "The world will soon admire the Ark of the Covenant":
The revelation will take place next Friday, 6/26/09, in Rome
http://tinypaste.com/ff12a;
The original source is Italian. Click the above link to go to IGN news service. Click on the Google tab to translate from Italian to English
Background on the Ark;
An article from the Vancouver Sun talking about traveling to the religious sites in Ethiopia.
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Jim the Vancouver Sun link didn't work for me. So (just in case Jim isn't here to fix the link) I typed in www.vancouversun.com/travel and then scrolled down about 1/3 the way down to find the article.
My apologies. HERE is a corrected link.
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Oops! My apologies! My round-about-way doesn't get to the same article as Jim's link after all.
This looks interesting!!
Ancient Holy Land Quarry Uncovered, Team Says
"JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israeli archaeologists said on Sunday they had discovered the largest underground quarry in the Holy Land, dating back to the time of Jesus and containing Christian symbols etched into the walls"...
Thats ok, Anne! This linking thing is not easy!
very interesting about the Ark of the Covenant. See what happens on Friday.......!
anyone know anything about the prayer rally at the Western Wall today?
Jamie lightshine
Psalm 68:
God arises, and those who hate him flee from his sight.
God arises and his enemies are scattered:
those who hate him flee from his sight.
You blow them away like wisps of smoke;
as wax melts in front of a fire,
so the wicked melt away before God.
The righteous are glad and exult in Gods sight;
they rejoice in their gladness.
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Ark of the Covenant to be revealed on Fri.June, 26(fifth Tamuz-4th month): "Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourthh month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the river of Chebar, that the heavens wereopened, and i saw visions of God." Ezekiel 1:1
interesting......
Jamie lightshine
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Mac,
You'll probably get more new about this one : Fireball as unidentified flying object crashes into mountain
If it was space junk or a meteor I wonder it this will become more common place? The Biblical references of things falling from the sky.
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Lori, this is what I get when I click on the Rapture Ready link, which makes me lol!
"Oh great, now you've done it. You're complete lost.
You better go back to the RaptureReady.com home page and start over."
Here's a corrected URL for Rapture Ready:
http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html
Jim C
those articles on the Ark were quite interesting even if it did take me forever to figure out how to get the one trasnlated one to cooperate to be readable. hah.
a couple of interesting things
1-there was a figure quoted in our newest sunday school class that only 51% of protestant pastors fully and completely believed a list of 7 or so core tenenants of Christianity-how sad is that. our pastor who was in the back then said he thought it was rather less than 10% in the PCUSA. how awful. the beliefs were quite basic and were those originally felt to be the fundementals of the faith that the fundementalists rallied around in reaction to-a social gospel. go figure. in that day and time some in the church espoused the liberal causes of their day and the fundementalists reacted and thus a whole new movement was born. seems history is repeating itself or at least one hopes so
2-the other interesting statement is that we can't change the culture without changing people's world view and made the distinction that while a Christian worldview is based on correct doctrine it really isn't about doctrine. it answers the questions who am I, what am i here for etc. should be an interesting class. I have been meaning to google the author's name to see what else I can discover.
interestingly enough I had wanted to lead a group on culture which actually comes out of worldview so I guess this fall I may be leading a class. pray with me over this.
What is this world coming to? Mr Carroll providing a link to a Rapture Ready article!
Lisa, I haven't come across any news items on that Aussie fireball UFO yet. We're fairly sophisticated here - if it's not football it isn't news.
Interesting (and sobering)...
Pandemic Reality Check
The ground approx 60 miles NNW of Anchorage sure has been the epicenter of a bunch of quakes in the past 2 days. Check out this list of quakes in the Cook Inlet region of Alaska. Drop the data into Excel and make a bar chart. Seems to be a pulsing pattern to the magnitudes. The first one in this list occurred June 21 @ 5:12am. The last one in the list occurred today, June 22, @ 8:26 pm (Alaska time).
Magnitude
1.12
1.45
2.2
3.37
1.59
0.51
1.76
1.91
5.41
3.21
2.83
3.07
1.92
1.96
4.03
1.87
2.11
2.59
2.6
2.11
3.34
1.66
1.68
2.76
I was born and raised in San Jose, CA so am well aware that the magnitudes of these aren't that great. Nevertheless, the high frequency over the last 2 days in such a focused area is very interesting. At around 5.0, folks start to pay attention.
Is God concerned about our pain?
The Lord is close to the brokenhearted; he rescues those who are crushed in spirit. The righteous face many troubles, but the Lord rescues them from each and every one. Psalm 34:18-19 NLT
He was despised and rejected—a man of sorrows, acquainted with bitterest grief. We turned our backs on him and looked the other way when he went by. He was despised, and we did not care.
Yet it was our weaknesses he carried; it was our sorrows that weighed him down. And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God for his own sins! But he was wounded and crushed for our sins. He was beaten that we might have peace. He was whipped, and we were healed! All of us have strayed away like sheep. We have left God's paths to follow our own. Yet the Lord laid on him the guilt and sins of us all.
Isaiah 53:3-6 NLT
Crying ones
Through the pain and sorrow of Christ's experiences on earth, God has experienced the depths of human grief.
You that are called born of God, and Christians, if you be not criers, there is no spiritual life in you; if you be born of God, you are crying ones; as soon as He raised you out of the dark dungeon of sin, you cannot but cry to God.
John Bunyan
Grany, you're kinda quiet lately. Kitty-cat got your tongue?
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Hi everyone! I haven't been here for awhile, so it will take some time for me to catch up, reading all of the links and all. However, I am reading all of the posts. Man! You all are going at it very quickly!
I do enjoy listening to what everyone is saying. I think everyone has something valuable to add to the conversation. Good points to think about.
I know I will probably catch it for this, but I do believe in conspiracy theories. Conspiracy to bring about a world government. I do believe these people are playing into the hands of satan, as he is using them to bring about his time on earth. G-d will allow him his time, so we will see it happen. grailcode.net has a lot on the coming together of the occult, illuminati, and new age to promote a one-world religion. It also talks a lot about Prince William and Prince Charles. Their coat of arms is rather spooky and their goals of uniting world religions is something to take note of. They also believe they are the bloodline of Christ via lineage of David and merovingian (?) bloodline. The imaginary bloodline that Christ fathered children and they are descended from that. And I thought the Davinci code was a fairy tale! They really believe that stuff!
Jim G. I am praying for peace for you on your job. You know a cockroach doesn't like the light and you exposed one to light. (Not necessarily the person, but their actions) I wouldn't feel guilt for standing for what is right. These people in this generation want everyone to feel guilty for standing for truth. That lets them off the hook.
Funny joke Jib!
Campsmore, will pray for your daughter. I have a step daughter who was going through a similar experience. I went to a website and downloaded the notes on what an abusive relationship is. I gave it to her. She waited a few weeks to read it. After she read it, they broke up for a period of time, but now sheis back with him. She is now aware the situation is abusive and she has to make her own decisions, but we are praying for her. At least she isn't walking into it blindly. I really don't expect it to last. You can't possibly want to stay in something you know is wrong.... the website is emotional abuse Hope it helps!
Uncle Bob is home from Maine and has a new post.
"...Bush was magnificent last Wednesday. He spoke with no teleprompter and few notes. After formal remarks, he reclined in a leather chair and answered audience-supplied questions. It was Bush unplugged."
Bush Unplugged
Nice article, Mac....wish the interview was available to watch in live-time.
Interesting side note...the author, Paul Kengor was one of hubby's profs at Grove City while we were there. He's been writing alot of stuff lately. The Visions and Values Center publishes regular pamphlets from the speakers they have on campus, but it's nice to see their work outside of what we always called "the bubble." Grovers were kinda considered naive and backward because of all the strict rules we had to follow. Like homeschooling for college students. LOL!
Blessings,
Jen
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Dr. Grant Jeffry says that the Ark of the Covenant was brought from Ethiopia to Israel at the same time the Ethiopian Jews were airlifted to Israel- I think it was called 'Operation Solomon'. He says that members of the IDF, who were Levites, carried the Ark. I heard him talk about this on his TV program not to long ago. Does anyone else remember him talking about this?
Jamie
Why is everyone so quiet? Am I missing something? Did you all find another cave?
Jamie, I'm not ignoring your question, I've never seen Grant Jeffry.
Hi Anne and everyone...I have not been here all that much lately due to the concerns I have already expressed.
The Ark of the Covenant is an interesting topic so I will go back to other posts about it and check it out.
Thanks Anne!
Jamie,
Here is a link to explain that story about the ark.
It will be interesting to see what happens with all of this.
Here's an article Jack Kelley wrote this past Sunday called
Where's the Ark of the Covenant?
Where’s The Ark Of The Covenant?
Q. I have a question concerning the Ark of the Covenant (I bet you get plenty). I remember reading somewhere that the High Priest would remove the Ark from the Holy of Holies during an evil king’s reign and then return it during a righteous Kings reign. 2 Chronicles chapter 29 hints at this. Was this a common practice? If so, would that indicate a “hiding” place somewhere other than the Temple itself?
I heard Israel’s last righteous king Josiah had the Ark returned to the Temple during his reign as well, yet I haven’t found the supporting scripture. These items are not listed as part of the inventory given of what the Babylonians carried off. Could these items have been hidden and not destroyed with the temple?
A. While 2 Chron 29 mentions implements from the altar that had been removed, there is no specific reference to the Ark. Personally I don’t think the Ark was moved because unless God wanted it moved, any one who touched it risked death. Later King Josiah had the Temple restored and consecrated for use, but again there’s no mention of the Ark in the account.
There is a Jewish tradition that Jeremiah was instructed by God to hide the Ark in advance of the Babylonian conquest so that Nebuchadnezzar wouldn’t get it, and that’s the last time it was seen.
Some believe that a group of priests took it to Elephantine Island which sits in the Middle of the Nile River about 650BC, (the remnants of a Jewish Temple have been found there) and then to Ethiopia where it rests today in a Coptic Church. Others say it’s hidden in Mt. Nebo in Jordan. Still others believe its in a secret chamber underneath the Temple mount. But it’s clear it wasn’t destroyed, and wasn’t taken to Babylon. To this day, no one has offered any conclusive proof that its location has been discovered.
There are about as many theories on what happened to the ark as there are ways to serve french fries.
Salted, unsalted, chili, cheese, chili and cheese, ketchup, BBQ sauce... you name it.
Anyway, one thing I read, and I wish I knew where, mentioned that the Bible refers to it as the Ark of the Covenant in some areas and after a certain time, just the ark.
Now, is it because it was a duplicate? Only God knows. But it wasn't impossible to move. It was stolen by a group once and after the entire people were smitten by a plague of hemmoroids, did they return it. They made idols, 5 in the shape of hemmoroids and 5 shaped like mice, put them on a brand new cart with the ark and sent it back from whence it came, via some milch cows never used for pulling.
Some translations read boils instead of hemmoroids, but knowing how painful a hemmoroid is, I'd put my money on the hemmoroids. Wow, that sounds weird.
thanks Campsmore!
Jamie
Alright, Lori,
I just spent an hour reading the account in 1 Sam of the plague sent upon the Philistines (in KJV), then researching the term 'emerods' which is used in that translation, then reading this article on the etymology of 'emerod' which sounds like 'hemmoroid' but because of the mouse connection, might be indicative of Bubonic plague. Either way....awful awful stuff!
http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/E/EMERODS/
Blessings,
Jen
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Khamenei says no compromise,
Iranian protestors put police on run, watch thru to the end,
Ahmadinejad (on video) Requesting Council Implement "Pure Islamic State" ,
Italy endorses demilitarised Palestine ,
Bibi in Rome on first EU trip as PM ,
US to send ambassador to Syria after 4yr hiatus,
Turkish FM: Were Ready to Mediate Israeli-Syrian Talks,
US lawmakers urge Turkey's EU bid,
Moscow: All parties agree to ME parley, "government sources told The Jerusalem Post that Russia was determined to go ahead with the Middle East conference whether Israel likes it or not."
PM: J'lem, US working on settlement deal,
Rabbi: Boo Breeds Climate of Hate Against Jews,
Tx Ranchers Say Clean Water Bill is Massive Federal Land Grab,
No 'Big Bang' for EU foreign service, says Solana, "...said that the current six-month rotating system "adds some element of difficulty" and believed it would be easier for foreign partners once the Lisbon Treaty comes into force and establishes a permanent EU president for two and a half years. "
Solana backs Felipe González for "permanant EU president" job, "...the EU’s first permanent president will be introduced under the Spanish EU Presidency in the first half of 2010."
The EU's very discreet debate on who will make foreign policy,
Czech pres. Klaus pledges to be last to sign the Lisbon Treaty,
Melodious Scripture,
Please keep Ed Thomas and his family in your prayers. He is the high school coach in Parkersburg, Iowa, who was shot this morning. I just heard he died.
If the name "Parkersburg" sounds familiar, that is the town in Iowa that was almost wiped off the map a little over a year ago, just before the floods. They've done an amazing job of rebuilding in this past year -- a real feel-good story.
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Jim C
that is very sad to hear. another school shooting? one more reason to home school for sure.
Anne
I know Grany is taking a sabbatical. Donna spoke for herself. i can't speak for anyone else. I've just flat out been busy for the last several days and I'm 2 Lori's links behind! I also managed to wrench my back so all I want to do after working is sit with my feet up in my recliner. I'm going to a DO this afternoon, who is also a licensed massage therapist, and I am hoping she can do something for the cause. DH gave me one of those shiatsu chair massagers which I used last night and now my back is bruised to boot!
we will be going on vacation with my family in the near future. I have some anxiety about this. we haven't been with the full family since 2000-which is when my back injury first occured after my brother grabbed the back of my neck and I had to struggle to get away. the incident caused some serious discussions and issues in the family especially with my parents. we have visited with them several times since then but not stayed in the same place as them since then. we will all be in the same house so I am a smidge anxious.
Jamie, Shalom! I first heard about Dr. Grant Jeffry's account of the Ark in his book "Mysteries of the Bible" (which I really need to find a copy and buy.) His account (of the Ark being moved to Ethiopia) struck me as very reasoned and possible. Then I read "The Temple At The End of Time." The Catholic view is that the Ark is buried in Mt. Nebo, as described in 2 Maccabees. It was hidden in a cave, but was done in such haste that the location wasn't noted and so it remains hidden. When I read "Temple", I was amazed to discover the numeric relationship between Mt. Nebo and the Temple Mount.
So, it could be that the Ark in Aksum is a copy; it could be that the Ark in Aksum is the real Ark and the copy was buried in Mt. Nebo; OR (I'll wait while you all put on your conspiracy hats) the original was taken from Aksum as described by Dr. Jeffry in his book, and then taken by the Israeli commandos across the border into Jordan to be hidden in Mt. Nebo.
Think about it: Fundamentalist Christians tend to be the ones driving the search for the Ark. Since they don't accept 2 Maccabees as scripture they're not going to look in Mt. Nebo. The Jordanians probably won't be interested in authorizing any archeological digs in the area to look for "Jewish artifacts." And the "Third Temple" Jews probably won't want to REALLY push for reconstruction until the Ark is found. In fact, the Israeli government might use that to keep the radicals in check. Sometime after the War of Psalm 83 or after the War of Gog and Magog, when both Temple Mount and Mt. Nebo are in Israeli control, then the Ark can be "discovered", returned to Israel, and the Temple can be rebuilt. Until that time, the Ark is safely being guarded by the Jordanians, who don't know they're guarding it.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality...
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P.S. Anne, I haven't been posting much because I'm dealing with a great deal of spiritual oppression, attacking me not just directly but through my family. Your prayers will be appreciated. On a positive note, earlier I had written that I had been led to pray that I willingly give up my possessions. At the time I was thinking specifically of my HDTV and maybe my barrister bookshelves. I've come to realize that the possession I hold more dear to my heart isn't either of those, but the books themselves. My personal collection rivals some small town libraries, and in fact was one of the reasons my first wife wanted to marry me.
So I'm busy packing up books -- not all of them, but the great majority -- and will take them to one of the used bookstores in town and get what I can for them. It's been a voyage of discovery, partly in finding books I had forgotten I owned, partly in finding other things. I have an 8-volume collection of Shakespeare that was published in 1901 that I got from my grandmother. She was the first Superintendent of Schools in any city in Iowa. I went through the volumes to make sure there wasn't any money or anything tucked in the pages, and I found letters of recommendation written by her employers (such BEAUTIFUL handwriting!) and her original State Teacher's Certificate from 1911. I'll scan these in and send them to my brothers and sisters.
Jim C, praying for you.
Don't take the books to some used bookstore, especially the Shakespeare collection.
You should sell them on ebay.
There's an article on Fox news titled:
North Korea Threatens to 'Wipe Out' U.S.
Not worth linking to but it made me wonder if perhaps Joel Rosenberg should send BOO a copy of Dead Heat.
Pretty freaky, ain't it?
excellent idea there Jim-you'd definitely get more money if you did that
Well, I might take the Shakespeare in to be appraised.
Hi Jim C- I'm doing the same with my books. I brought in three boxes, hardcover good condition, and only recieved $23. You can also sell your books on Amazon. there is some way you set up your own bookstore. My sister has done that.
I've also sold some clothes- did a little better $85. I also have my piano on e-bay.
Jamie
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